Having hard time really cleaning up

[Cara]

For an average person, I eat fairly well. I don't stuff my face full of a lot of processed foods regularly, and I try to get a good amount of protein (1 g/#), fat and carbs every day.

However, I still have a nasty craving for stuff that isn't so good for me. How long did it take for the clean eating to really click for those of you who adhere to it full time? I really want to drop about 15# and lean out, but I can't seem to make it over the hump and buckle down.

It's like I need someone to just kick my a$$ when I want to eat garbage! Self-control is a problem for me, and my husband has no interest in clean eating, so we always have "bad" stuff in the house. Argh! It's frustrating the hell out of me!

[dare]

Sorry you feel frustrated!! It doesn't help cravings at all when you have that stuff in the house....maybe you need to sit down with your husband and tell him that you really need his support.

I'm not sure where my willpower comes from, I just have it. That's not to say that I don't give into cravings every now and then. Cravings will always be a part of your life, you just need to push past them and keep thinking of your goal. Maybe you and your husband could start by finding some cleaner alternatives to your favorite junk foods/snacks?? Start small and take one day at a time!

Good luck!

[Erik]

Basic self control and a strong desire to change my body and realize my goals.

[christie]

Don't buy it.

[fitness926]

dont' buy it is the big thing...there are some foods that I eat that others wouldn't such as cheese and sf/ff yogurt, milk, fruit

it's all about what works for you, as long as your still losing

I still get cravings, but have learned to cook things to help with the cravings...except ice cream-i will never figure that one out!

If you stop losing, post your daily diet, and people here can help you tweek it

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by Thunder@May 24 2006, 03:00 AM
Basic self control and a strong desire to change my body and realize my goals.
Yes, if I am really goal focused and my hunger is under control then it really is not a problem for the most part.

BUT...I have for sure been in a situation where I go clean for a few days, cheat, repeat. starve, binge, starve, binge, repeat. I just needed to re set some goals and eat an appropriate diet.

I fall of the wagon now and then, but the old deprivation feelings are gone.

[Erik]

That's still an issue of self control.

Even at 230lbs when I crash dieted, I ate significantly less than even you're eating now. THAT's hunger. And I didn't cheat once.

But I could be different. :unsure:

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by Thunder@May 24 2006, 03:34 AM
That's still an issue of self control.

Even at 230lbs when I crash dieted, I ate significantly less than even you're eating now. THAT's hunger. And I didn't cheat once.

But I could be different. :unsure:
oh, yeah. Definately an issue of self control. I would never debate that.

[Erik]

Originally posted by jrb1980+May 23 2006, 11:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jrb1980 @ May 23 2006, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@May 24 2006, 03:34 AM
That&#39;s still an issue of self control.

Even at 230lbs when I crash dieted, I ate significantly less than even you&#39;re eating now. THAT&#39;s hunger. And I didn&#39;t cheat once.

But I could be different. :unsure:
oh, yeah. Definately an issue of self control. I would never debate that. [/b][/quote]
Mind you, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s easy all the time.

I think it&#39;s very tightly tied to motivation and desire to achieve goals.

[jrb1980]

My whole point was just that I think if you want it bad enough you find a way. If not, you don&#39;t. period.

[Erik]

Originally posted by jrb1980@May 23 2006, 11:37 PM
My whole point was just that I think if you want it bad enough you find a way. If not, you don&#39;t. period.
Agreed

[Blondell]

For some reason I get a mental pic of whatever it is I want to eat, going right to my hips. That&#39;s enough for me most times. :censor: Have you seen that commercial of the woman buying the cinnamon rolls and putting them right on her butt? That does it for me. :lol:

[Brandi]

Originally posted by jrb1980@May 23 2006, 08:37 PM
My whole point was just that I think if you want it bad enough you find a way. If not, you don&#39;t. period.
Well said.

[KaPow]

Originally posted by Thunder@May 23 2006, 10:00 PM
Basic self control and a strong desire to change my body and realize my goals.
Love it. This sums it up perfectly :flex:

[PowerManDL]

Pick what you want to eat that fits your calorie and macro goals, clean or not, and stick to it.

That&#39;s far more important than anything else. If you have to throw in some "unclean" stuff to help you be consistent in that way, then do it as long as it fits in with the overall plan.

[Blondell]

Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 23 2006, 11:51 PM
Pick what you want to eat that fits your calorie and macro goals, clean or not, and stick to it.

That&#39;s far more important than anything else. If you have to throw in some "unclean" stuff to help you be consistent in that way, then do it as long as it fits in with the overall plan.
:clap:

There&#39;s no need to make it more complicated than necessary. ;)

[PowerManDL]

I&#39;m dieting now, with some degree of success, and I still have a coffee with cream and sugar daily (one of those ice lattes from Dunkin&#39; Donuts with the caramel), and occasionally I eat such abominations as whole wheat bread, fatty beef and hotdogs, cheeses, and all kinds of otherwise taboo foods.

I&#39;m still dropping fat, because I&#39;m eating under what my body&#39;s using. And this time I can&#39;t even call drugs. The only thing I&#39;m using is a relatively low dose of clen (80mcg/day isn&#39;t high by any means), and that&#39;s about on par with EC.

Funny how that works.

[Cara]

I know what I need to do and am going to start stripping the cupboards of garbage.

My husband understands my goals, but he doesn&#39;t see why my goals should affect his eating, so that means I&#39;m just going to have to ignore the temptations and envision my goals more strongly.

You all are so helpful and kind -- most of the time. :lol: Thanks, everyone&#33;

[Strive2Define]

Originally posted by Thunder+May 23 2006, 11:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 23 2006, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by jrb1980@May 23 2006, 11:36 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@May 24 2006, 03:34 AM
That&#39;s still an issue of self control.

Even at 230lbs when I crash dieted, I ate significantly less than even you&#39;re eating now. THAT&#39;s hunger. And I didn&#39;t cheat once.

But I could be different.* :unsure:
oh, yeah. Definately an issue of self control. I would never debate that.
Mind you, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s easy all the time.

I think it&#39;s very tightly tied to motivation and desire to achieve goals. [/b][/quote]
Typical type A...

[Strive2Define]

Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 07:14 AM
I know what I need to do and am going to start stripping the cupboards of garbage.

My husband understands my goals, but he doesn&#39;t see why my goals should affect his eating, so that means I&#39;m just going to have to ignore the temptations and envision my goals more strongly.

You all are so helpful and kind -- most of the time. :lol: Thanks, everyone&#33;
Your not keeping it in the house is not deprivation..your husband can still eat whatever he wants, he will just have to get up, go to the store and buy it for himself.I even go as far as making mine cook certain things for themselves..things like baked goods etc..my husband loves his dark chocolate so he has his huge candy jar that he keeps here at home but I also requested that he keep it in his cabinet that has a lock on it.He obliges and doesn&#39;t mind at all. We both win.

[BlueTuna]

5dogmom - once you give up eating processed crap, you just don&#39;t want it after a while. Trust me&#33; Knowing that it will make me feel physically sick puts me off eating it.

[Inatic]

((hugs))

It isnt always easy. I have a house full of kidlets and do keep snacks and ice cream for them and DH. I guess im lucky that i have the steel iron will power and dont fight cravings. LOL except for veggies :oops:

I try to ask myself how is this going to get me to my goal. 99.8% of the time, I put it right back. When your really focused, nothing can deter you.

Ya gotta wanna :)

[Chelsinator]

Originally posted by Inatic@May 24 2006, 08:31 AM
Ya gotta wanna :)
So true. I know that when I want something, not a thing in the world is going to stop me from getting it. Come hell, high water, or a jab from Matty poo; whatever, ain&#39; nothin&#39; gonna tear me down.

Sometimes it&#39;s not fun, and sometimes it sucks ass, but you&#39;ll only derail if it&#39;s not the most important thing to you. The most important thing always wins.

[Sarah]

Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 06:14 AM
I know what I need to do and am going to start stripping the cupboards of garbage.

My husband understands my goals, but he doesn&#39;t see why my goals should affect his eating, so that means I&#39;m just going to have to ignore the temptations and envision my goals more strongly.

You all are so helpful and kind -- most of the time. :lol: Thanks, everyone&#33;
My fiancee and I made a deal. I buy him 1 junk food thing every week. Only rule - has to be something I don&#39;t like. No temptation there.

[lawstudent]

I guess I&#39;m the voice of dissent. For me, the cravings never really have gone away. When I think about this as a lifestyle, I get really overwhelmed--kind of a I-can-never-have-a-blizzard-again sort of way. I focus on it meal by meal. That way, it doesn&#39;t seem to be such a huuuge deal. Keeping the focus on each meal also helps me to realize that each meal is another opportunity for me to do something healthy and good for myself. :)

[veon]

It helps to have a meal plan written down. I am the Queen of sweet cheats. And if I fear my diet is too strict and my calories too low, I can rationalize a cookie when I need to.
But training with Thunder - if it&#39;s not on my plan, I can&#39;t have it. End of story. I don&#39;t even entertain the thought. And I&#39;m not absolutely starving, so I just focus on making it to my next meal and all will be well - without the cookie.

Would it help if you separated their food from yours? I&#39;ve lived with roommates for years now, and no matter what pint they have in the freezer or chips in the cabinet I don&#39;t touch them, simply because they&#39;re not mine.

[Cara]

I&#39;m working on moving hubby&#39;s junk food to another cabinet away from my stuff, which makes him gag anyway. I think he&#39;d melt if he ate too healthfully. It might kill him&#33; :-)

I&#39;m hoping to work with Erik someday when I am more focused and really feel ready to commit full on. I&#39;m walking baby steps toward that point. Right now, even those baby steps are progress for me, so I&#39;m happy.

Thanks all&#33;

[tsunamii]

I too struggled with motivation and am finally on the right track after several weeks. First, define a concrete goal, and break it up into mini goals. For me, my main goal is to get published as a fitness model by summer 2007- mini goals are competitions between now and then. Something as stupid as making a bet with someone over who can get cut abs first can also work- just define it exactly and map out how you&#39;ll get there.

As far as the cravings go, what worked for me was completely eliminating crap, and gradually eliminating "healthy" foods like yogurt, natural peanut butter, bread, etc. Now I&#39;m eating really clean (fish, eggs, veggies, oatmeal, cottage cheese, repeat)- I noticed after 2 or 3 weeks of clean eating that I really didn&#39;t have cravings for anything. You have to view food as fuel.

Another helpful thing is planning out meals and macros using www.fitday.com. You must write everything down to be successful as a beginner.

Lifting is important- you&#39;ve got to plan that just as you plan your food. Remember- lift heavy, don&#39;t focus so much on cardio.

I agree with everyone that you need to sit down and talk to your man about how important this is to you, and that he may need to make compromises to help you get there, as I&#39;m sure you would if the tables were turned. Put your blinders on, prepare your own food even if it&#39;s not what he&#39;s eating, and ask that he not flaunt bad stuff in front of you. And maybe educate him on what you&#39;re doing and why. Who knows, you may inspire him to clean up his habits too&#33;

One last thing: it helps to have support from someone who knows what you&#39;re going through. For me, I have a trainer who has competed and trains competitors. I come to this board often as well. Having someone you can call on in times of weakness is priceless.

Good luck and sorry for the novel&#33;&#33;&#33; :wave:

[jrb1980]

I don&#39;t really buy the whole don&#39;t have it the house thing. I&#39;ve always wondered a bit about this. Do you really think I am to lazy to walk to the 7-11 two blocks away? I mean everything that goes into my month is a very conscious decision, and seriously, if I am going to decide to eat a bag of chips it doesn&#39;t matter whether it takes me 5 seconds or 5 minutes to get them.

Anyway, rant over. I just feel strongly about your motivation comming from within and not imposing your habits/decisions on others. Put, agreed, a concerete plan is key&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Jounrals help too. Eventually it jsut flows.

[Strive2Define]

Originally posted by jrb1980@May 24 2006, 02:10 PM
I don&#39;t really buy the whole don&#39;t have it the house thing. I&#39;ve always wondered a bit about this. Do you really think I am to lazy to walk to the 7-11 two blocks away? I mean everything that goes into my month is a very conscious decision, and seriously, if I am going to decide to eat a bag of chips it doesn&#39;t matter whether it takes me 5 seconds or 5 minutes to get them.

Anyway, rant over. I just feel strongly about your motivation comming from within and not imposing your habits/decisions on others. Put, agreed, a concerete plan is key&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Jounrals help too. Eventually it jsut flows.
see and I don&#39;t buy into it as imposing habits on others..I get so sick of hearing the excuse that it isn&#39;t fair to "deprive" the children of their snacks...from the looks of the adolescent and teen population today, they could stand A WHOLE LOT of deprivation.Why are we as a society so willing to feed them whatever junk foods they want but are so reluctant to teach them healthy eating habits at a younger age? I sure wish someone had done that to me when I was younger..would have saved me many years of heartbreak and cruelty that copmes with being obese.As far as depriving another adult in my household, I don&#39;t think it is fair for them to feed their face full of garbage and sit on their ass and risk their health at my expense...meaning if my husband has a heart attack from eating crappy foods and smoking..I will be the one that has to take care of him..is that fair to burden me with that when it was his decision to live his life that way?Food has become a crutch for the American population..we celebrate with food, we commiserate with food.Sad in my opinion.

[Pinky]

It took me about 2-3 weeks to really get into it. The biggest thing for me is being prepared. If I have food on hand and ready, then I am less likely to fall off the wagon. Also, if I consistently eat every 2.5-3 hours, then I don&#39;t get REALLY hungry. Once I get REALLY hungry, chicken and brocolli just doesn&#39;t appeal to me. I recently bought a cooler that I carry around with me now, it is full of foods that I can eat, chicken, tuna, apples, cheesesticks etc.... That way I am never stuck where I am hungry but have nothing good to eat. It is really hard to make healthy choices when you are out running around and you get hungry. Yeah, you can buy an apple for &#036;1 at 7-11, but chances are, if I am in 7-11 I am not going to buy an apple.

We don&#39;t have much junk in the house either. I don&#39;t want my DD eating crap all the time, so we have limited junk food, most of which I don&#39;t really care for anyway. I do allow myself a cheat day once a week, and this definitely helps.

I like to keep sf gum on hand and some diet pop, for those occasions when I am really craving. Most often, that will help.

My #1 suggestion, prepare your food ahead of time, that way you will have no excuse to grab something fattening when you are in a hurry.

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by Strive2Define+May 24 2006, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strive2Define @ May 24 2006, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jrb1980@May 24 2006, 02:10 PM
I don&#39;t really buy the whole don&#39;t have it the house thing. I&#39;ve always wondered a bit about this. Do you really think I am to lazy to walk to the 7-11 two blocks away? I mean everything that goes into my month is a very conscious decision, and seriously, if I am going to decide to eat a bag of chips it doesn&#39;t matter whether it takes me 5 seconds or 5 minutes to get them.

Anyway, rant over. I just feel strongly about your motivation comming from within and not imposing your habits/decisions on others. Put, agreed, a concerete plan is key&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Jounrals help too. Eventually it jsut flows.
see and I don&#39;t buy into it as imposing habits on others..I get so sick of hearing the excuse that it isn&#39;t fair to "deprive" the children of their snacks...from the looks of the adolescent and teen population today, they could stand A WHOLE LOT of deprivation.Why are we as a society so willing to feed them whatever junk foods they want but are so reluctant to teach them healthy eating habits at a younger age? I sure wish someone had done that to me when I was younger..would have saved me many years of heartbreak and cruelty that copmes with being obese.As far as depriving another adult in my household, I don&#39;t think it is fair for them to feed their face full of garbage and sit on their ass and risk their health at my expense...meaning if my husband has a heart attack from eating crappy foods and smoking..I will be the one that has to take care of him..is that fair to burden me with that when it was his decision to live his life that way?Food has become a crutch for the American population..we celebrate with food, we commiserate with food.Sad in my opinion. [/b][/quote]
I certainly won&#39;t disagree with that. I am just saying that if my naturally lean and generally healthy 30 year old partner wants to have a bag of gummi bears or chips as he watchs the hockey game once and a while, I think it is important for me to be at a mental place with my fitness goals and relationship with food where that is not something that is going to piss me off or throw me into a binge.

[jrb1980]

That and I have a hard time being like "you can&#39;t have those gummi bears or whatever in the house because they are bad for your health" as I pound a diet coke virtually every night.

[Inatic]

I certainly won&#39;t disagree with that. I am just saying that if my naturally lean and generally healthy 30 year old partner wants to have a bag of gummi bears or chips as he watchs the hockey game once and a while, I think it is important for me to be at a mental place with my fitness goals and relationship with food where that is not something that is going to piss me off or throw me into a binge.

That and I have a hard time being like "you can&#39;t have those gummi bears or whatever in the house because they are bad for your health" as I pound a diet coke virtually every night.

You could turn the negitiveness of it around. Instead of saying I cant have them, how about, I chose not to have them.

Sometimes, till you get grip on things, you might have to avoid them, if that is what it takes for you to keep true to yourself. Once your on that roll and in the mindset, it&#39;s be much easier.

[amyloo]

Originally posted by lawstudent@May 24 2006, 11:41 AM
I guess I&#39;m the voice of dissent. For me, the cravings never really have gone away. When I think about this as a lifestyle, I get really overwhelmed--kind of a I-can-never-have-a-blizzard-again sort of way. I focus on it meal by meal. That way, it doesn&#39;t seem to be such a huuuge deal. Keeping the focus on each meal also helps me to realize that each meal is another opportunity for me to do something healthy and good for myself. :)
I&#39;m with you. I still have cravings. Sometimes at the most random times you can imagine, for absolutely no good reason. I&#39;ve learned that if I don&#39;t give in at the exact moment of the craving, it usually passes. Also, allowing for cheat meals helps me get by some tough moments. If I know I&#39;m having pizza with my husband and kids on Friday night, I can make it through my week on clean food. Where I go wrong is when my cheat meal turns into a 3 day binge. I&#39;m such an "all or nothing" person that I haven&#39;t quite achieved that zen-like balance of not wanting unhealthy foods.

[NCfitnessgirl]

Originally posted by Strive2Define@May 24 2006, 02:42 PM
see and I don&#39;t buy into it as imposing habits on others..I get so sick of hearing the excuse that it isn&#39;t fair to "deprive" the children of their snacks...from the looks of the adolescent and teen population today, they could stand A WHOLE LOT of deprivation.Why are we as a society so willing to feed them whatever junk foods they want but are so reluctant to teach them healthy eating habits at a younger age? I sure wish someone had done that to me when I was younger..would have saved me many years of heartbreak and cruelty that copmes with being obese.As far as depriving another adult in my household, I don&#39;t think it is fair for them to feed their face full of garbage and sit on their ass and risk their health at my expense...meaning if my husband has a heart attack from eating crappy foods and smoking..I will be the one that has to take care of him..is that fair to burden me with that when it was his decision to live his life that way?Food has become a crutch for the American population..we celebrate with food, we commiserate with food.Sad in my opinion.
I totally agree.

Thankfully, my hubby has slowly adapted to my way of eating because he sees that it&#39;s just healthier. I&#39;m hoping that by the time kids come, we won&#39;t have any junk in the house for them to get used to. I will refuse to buy all those fruit chews or whatever just because the kids want them. They will eat foods that taste good, but are clean and healthy.

[BlueTuna]

Originally posted by Strive2Define@May 24 2006, 01:42 PM
see and I don&#39;t buy into it as imposing habits on others..I get so sick of hearing the excuse that it isn&#39;t fair to "deprive" the children of their snacks...from the looks of the adolescent and teen population today, they could stand A WHOLE LOT of deprivation.Why are we as a society so willing to feed them whatever junk foods they want but are so reluctant to teach them healthy eating habits at a younger age? I sure wish someone had done that to me when I was younger..would have saved me many years of heartbreak and cruelty that copmes with being obese.As far as depriving another adult in my household, I don&#39;t think it is fair for them to feed their face full of garbage and sit on their ass and risk their health at my expense...meaning if my husband has a heart attack from eating crappy foods and smoking..I will be the one that has to take care of him..is that fair to burden me with that when it was his decision to live his life that way?Food has become a crutch for the American population..we celebrate with food, we commiserate with food.Sad in my opinion.
I totally agree. I wish my parents had kept the crap out of the house when I was a little kid. Growing up obese was certainly no fun.

And why not pass your good habits onto others? My husband has always been supportive of my goals, although he&#39;s never been too fussed about his own weight/health. Since I started eating clean, and have been talking to him about nutrition, he&#39;s lost a lot of weight and can now see his abs for the first time in his life. He enjoys being lean and it&#39;s given him more energy to do the things he wants, like hiking. Now he wants to come to the gym with me and take up running. There&#39;s no way he wants to go back to the lifestyle we had before. He&#39;s 63.

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

[Cara]

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;)

[Pandora]

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 09:28 AM
5dogmom - once you give up eating processed crap, you just don&#39;t want it after a while. Trust me&#33; Knowing that it will make me feel physically sick puts me off eating it.
I have never found this to be the case personally. Sure, I know that a lot of the foods I used to eat much more of will make me physically ill feeling, but I do eat clean almost all of the time, yet I have never lost my taste for the "bad stuff." I think this is highly individual.

I&#39;ve always eaten well and always been very fit and active, but my taste buds love junk. Not that I eat it... very seldom to I indulge, but I never lost the taste for it or the cravings.

[PowerManDL]

It sorta surprises me that people can have such problems sticking to certain types of food.

My issue is more with the total amounts; it doesn&#39;t matter to me if it&#39;s a tub of cottage cheese, a jar of natty PB, cans of tuna, or a pizza. If I&#39;m dieting, the hunger will drive me to eat *more*, but not necessarily bad stuff.

Which is a problem, because 1000 extra calories of "clean" food will get you fat just as much as 1000 extra calories of double cheeseburgers.

[BlueTuna]

Originally posted by 5dogmom+May 24 2006, 02:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (5dogmom &#064; May 24 2006, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;)[/b][/quote]
I didn&#39;t tell you what he used to eat&#33; :lol:

[krispy1138]

Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 02:14 PM
It sorta surprises me that people can have such problems sticking to certain types of food.

My issue is more with the total amounts; it doesn&#39;t matter to me if it&#39;s a tub of cottage cheese, a jar of natty PB, cans of tuna, or a pizza. If I&#39;m dieting, the hunger will drive me to eat *more*, but not necessarily bad stuff.

Which is a problem, because 1000 extra calories of "clean" food will get you fat just as much as 1000 extra calories of double cheeseburgers.
I agree. I could go through a jar of PB every 1-2 days if I allowed myself to.

[Cara]

Originally posted by BlueTuna+May 24 2006, 03:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlueTuna @ May 24 2006, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 02:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;)
I didn&#39;t tell you what he used to eat&#33; :lol: [/b][/quote]
My ex used to eat Chips Ahoy cookies sandwiched together with PB (Jif) in the middle. It was enough to make me want to gag&#33;

[Strive2Define]

Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 04:14 PM
It sorta surprises me that people can have such problems sticking to certain types of food.

My issue is more with the total amounts; it doesn&#39;t matter to me if it&#39;s a tub of cottage cheese, a jar of natty PB, cans of tuna, or a pizza. If I&#39;m dieting, the hunger will drive me to eat *more*, but not necessarily bad stuff.

Which is a problem, because 1000 extra calories of "clean" food will get you fat just as much as 1000 extra calories of double cheeseburgers.
I totally agree with this statement too..hence why the "lowfat" craze of the nineties produced a larger population of fat people..people tend to become dumb when they hear low fat or sugar free for that matter..just because it is low in something or void of something doesn&#39;t make it calorie free.

[krispy1138]

Originally posted by Strive2Define+May 24 2006, 02:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strive2Define @ May 24 2006, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 04:14 PM
It sorta surprises me that people can have such problems sticking to certain types of food.

My issue is more with the total amounts; it doesn&#39;t matter to me if it&#39;s a tub of cottage cheese, a jar of natty PB, cans of tuna, or a pizza. If I&#39;m dieting, the hunger will drive me to eat *more*, but not necessarily bad stuff.

Which is a problem, because 1000 extra calories of "clean" food will get you fat just as much as 1000 extra calories of double cheeseburgers.
I totally agree with this statement too..hence why the "lowfat" craze of the nineties produced a larger population of fat people..people tend to become dumb when they hear low fat or sugar free for that matter..just because it is low in something or void of something doesn&#39;t make it calorie free. [/b][/quote]
Also, a lot of that stuff is more calories than the fuller fat version. That&#39;s why you&#39;ve got to read the labels&#33;

[Pinky]

Originally posted by 5dogmom+May 24 2006, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (5dogmom @ May 24 2006, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 02:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;)
I didn&#39;t tell you what he used to eat&#33; :lol:
My ex used to eat Chips Ahoy cookies sandwiched together with PB (Jif) in the middle. It was enough to make me want to gag&#33; [/b][/quote]
I am sorry, but that sounds good.....

[krispy1138]

Originally posted by Pinky+May 24 2006, 03:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 24 2006, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 02:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;)
I didn&#39;t tell you what he used to eat&#33; :lol:
My ex used to eat Chips Ahoy cookies sandwiched together with PB (Jif) in the middle. It was enough to make me want to gag&#33;
I am sorry, but that sounds good..... [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s what I thought, too, but I&#39;ll put peanut butter on just about anything&#33; :lol:

[sunny]

I think you are doing great&#33;&#33;&#33; :clap: :clap: :clap:
What worked for me, is to stop beating yourself up for stepping off your diet.
Forget it the very next morning, just get back to your egg whites, chicken breast and broccoli.
Give yourself credit for every single clean meal.

This might be an individual thing, but in my case, most of the stuff that I ate before no longer appeals to me. Bad stuff that I still sometimes feel like having is high-quality jam, dried fruit, just extra fruit (that I don&#39;t deserve&#33;) and fine chocolate. And when I eat it I feel sick physically later. I am working to stop it alltogether. It&#39;s a purely stress management problem for me. But who&#39;s making me stressed? Myself&#33;&#33;&#33; I just must stay strong, I just must make myself feel secure. Clean eating is about learning to manage yourself. And as the great ones have said, then you can go ahead and conquer the world.
:lol:
Good luck&#33;&#33;&#33; :)

[sunny]

I always remind myself about the 21-day rule. (I like to believe that it&#39;s true.)
That to develop a new habit you should do something for 21 days.

It does become easier every day&#33;&#33;&#33;
And if it&#39;s a bad day - forget it, forgive yourself and move on&#33;

[cocoa71]

I agree with those who said self control & keeping your goals in mind. I&#39;ve been craving Tim Hortons whole wheat carrot muffins for a week ot so but, everytime I say I&#39;m going to go...I change my mind...I remember the nutitional value I found at calorie king for them...NOt good...
Try to distract yourself, clean a room, surf the net...anything...but like what was said earlier...don&#39;t beat yourself up about it...I have done that a few times and it lead to a few cheat meals as I was down on myself about the first cheat meal that I shouldn&#39;t have had in the first place...it was a bad downward spiral&#33; :(

[jrb1980]

Also, 5dogmom, you should review the recipe section - Pandora is the queen of making clean food not seem like clean food. My SO has no idea he is eating clean every time he has dinner with me.

[Pandora]

Originally posted by jrb1980@May 25 2006, 05:59 PM
Also, 5dogmom, you should review the recipe section - Pandora is the queen of making clean food not seem like clean food. My SO has no idea he is eating clean every time he has dinner with me.
Aww. :love: Thanks.

[Cara]

Thanks, all&#33;

[Vanessa]

Personally, I think discipline is a skill that can be learned. I don&#39;t think most people are naturally born with discipline, I think they build it.

It&#39;s almost like building a muscle. The more you flex your ability to manage yourself, the stronger it becomes.

Whenever I make a mistake with my eating (which is seldom, at this point), I remind myself that I am practicing discipline.

You become stronger with time. The only thing that really matters is that you keep trying and that you do absolutely the best you can every single day, even if it&#39;s not perfect.

It took me a long time to earn and develope my discipline, but now I rarely have cravings, or give in to them.

Just remember, "This too shall pass".

Good luck&#33; :wave:

Nessa

[Erik]

Originally posted by Vanessa@May 26 2006, 11:38 PM
Personally, I think discipline is a skill that can be learned. I don&#39;t think most people are naturally born with discipline, I think they build it.

It&#39;s almost like building a muscle. The more you flex your ability to manage yourself, the stronger it becomes.

Whenever I make a mistake with my eating (which is seldom, at this point), I remind myself that I am practicing discipline.

You become stronger with time. The only thing that really matters is that you keep trying and that you do absolutely the best you can every single day, even if it&#39;s not perfect.

It took me a long time to earn and develope my discipline, but now I rarely have cravings, or give in to them.

Just remember, "This too shall pass".

Good luck&#33; :wave:

Nessa
Nice first post.

[jaleena]

Originally posted by 5dogmom+May 24 2006, 07:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (5dogmom @ May 24 2006, 07:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;) [/b][/quote]
You&#39;ve never heard of people scooping out their ice cream with a Snickers? :lol:

I don&#39;t get cravings unless I&#39;ve been in a good-sized deficit for a while, but I do always enjoy chocolate cupcakes...I just usually choose to enjoy them at some later date. And I think that&#39;s what it&#39;s about...if you&#39;re having out of control cravings, maybe you&#39;re not eating enough, and haven&#39;t been for a long time. And if you just like stuff that&#39;s bad for you, tell yourself you can have it later..."later" can be later in the week, later in the month, whatever, just not daily (or several times daily). And moderate...I firmly believe that, like Matt said, a little bit of junk can be worked into most plans.

[Strive2Define]

Originally posted by jaleena+May 27 2006, 08:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaleena @ May 27 2006, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 5dogmom@May 24 2006, 07:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-BlueTuna@May 24 2006, 02:53 PM

Sometimes he has a treat when he&#39;s not around me. Last night, he told me that if he has an ice-cream and a Kit-Kat at the same time he feels physically sick. I felt so proud of him&#33; :clap:

I think most people would feel sick eating ice cream and a Kit-Kat bar at the same time. Even I, the one having problems cleaning up my diet, couldn&#39;t eat that&#33; ;)
You&#39;ve never heard of people scooping out their ice cream with a Snickers? :lol:

[/b][/quote]
We actually HAVE icecream places like this(Marble slab creamery and cold stone creamery) that you can go to and get whatever kinda candy or candy bar or cookie chopped up and mixed into your flavor of icecream...

[Tina]

k this ice cream snickers talk has to stop or I need to stop reading this thread. :dry: