View Full Version : How much is it really about health?
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 01:31 AM
I was having this discussion with a buddy of mine the other day, and he brought up a few points that kind of hit home and made me think...
I know all of us chill here and talk about a "healthy" lifestyle, but for how many of you is it really about health in the long run? I mean, I started out thinking I didn't care really how I looked, as long as I was healthy. If I had a few extra pounds of fat, fine, as long as my cardio organs, and all that shit is healthy, then I don't care. But now...honestly, that is one of the lower factors on the list. Up top are things like "have a good butt" and "look fucking fantastic naked" and "yup, I am hot."
And I'm pretty open to doing pretty much anything it takes. I know among us are on things like EC stacks (which yes, can be argued are relatively safe) and we are always talking about appetite suppressants and such, and some of us go further than that, etc. So really, how much of it is about health to you guys?
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 01:38 AM
I dunno why I put this in nutrition :dry: I'm a dork, sorry, I meant to put it in chat.... :rolleyes:
While I'm not by any means old (32), my outlook on this has very much chnaged in the last couple years.
When I was in my mid 20s it was all about looking as awesome nekkid as possible and I did what it took to achieve that (IMO). A little on the OCD side. :ban: It was all about the vanity.
Now, while I still want to look as good as possible, my mindset is slightly different in the sense that I also think about general health - ie. in terms of food selection (more fruits and veggies, etc), regular cardio (gasp), trying (unsuccessfully) to manage stress better, etc., etc.
smuggie
05-25-2006, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 24 2006, 09:40 PM
While I'm not by any means old (32), my outlook on this has very much chnaged in the last couple years.
When I was in my mid 20s it was all about looking as awesome nekkid as possible and I did what it took to achieve that (IMO). A little on the OCD side. :ban: It was all about the vanity.
Now, while I still want to look as good as possible, my mindset is slightly different in the sense that I also think about general health - ie. in terms of food selection (more fruits and veggies, etc), regular cardio (gasp), trying (unsuccessfully) to manage stress better, etc., etc.
Stress management? What's that? :unsure:
Originally posted by smuggie+May 24 2006, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smuggie @ May 24 2006, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@May 24 2006, 09:40 PM
While I'm not by any means old (32), my outlook on this has very much chnaged in the last couple years.
When I was in my mid 20s it was all about looking as awesome nekkid as possible and I did what it took to achieve that (IMO). A little on the OCD side. :ban: It was all about the vanity.
Now, while I still want to look as good as possible, my mindset is slightly different in the sense that I also think about general health - ie. in terms of food selection (more fruits and veggies, etc), regular cardio (gasp), trying (unsuccessfully) to manage stress better, etc., etc.
Stress management? What's that? :unsure: [/b][/quote]
I have no idea.
I need to take a course or something, because my way sure has hell isn't working very well.
smuggie
05-25-2006, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 24 2006, 09:53 PM
[QUOTE=smuggie,May 24 2006, 09:52 PM]I have no idea.
I need to take a course or something, because my way sure has hell isn't working very well.
Neither is mine. :dry:
Bravogrl27
05-25-2006, 01:56 AM
It's all long-term to me. I mean I will set short-term goals, but I always keep the bigger picture in mind. For me, "health" is much more than just a daily physical discipline. It's also mental, emotional and spiritual. I strive for long-term balance in all those areas.
I think the physical perfection should always be an overflow of the real person on the inside. Just because I eat something clean doesn't mean I'm "clean" on the inside--it's what comes out of me (what I say, how I act, etc.) that show what I'm really made of. So yeah, physical hotness is desirable, but for me the biggest longterm goal is entire person hotness--someone not just well sculpted/well rounded on the outside but someone healthy in all other areas too . . . They all require discipline in some way or another.
There's my editorial on that . . .
Almost nothing is about health for me :shrug:
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Leah@May 24 2006, 07:59 PM
Almost nothing is about health for me :shrug:
yeah, same here.
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 24 2006, 10:03 PM
yeah, same here.
I think for many people it changes with time. Like I said, take me back to 8 or so years and I was much, much different than I am now; at least in terms of mindset and how much I put into this stupid bodybuilding stuff.
Unfortunately, there are lingering effects of that stuff that have me now not liking certain aspects of myself. And those things affect the people around me.
I also think it's changed due to seeing immediate family members run into health problems as they've gotten older; namely both my parents.
Kathryn
05-25-2006, 02:16 AM
I personally think it's kind of tough to be healthy and try to achieve a great body..at least for me...being healthy in shape for the army means doing cardio regularly..especially timed long distance runs..so it can become a conflict..but I realize that I need to do it and it's also good for my cardiovascular health
Stifler
05-25-2006, 02:18 AM
Health for me. Crohn's disease sucks ass.
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 02:22 AM
I try to keep it as healthy as possible as much as possible. Unfortunately, bodybuilding ain't about health.
This may or may not be new information, but the last steroid cycle I ran (my third) lasted for just shy of a year, running an average of 750mg a week of testosterone and 30-40mg per day of dianabol (cycled to avoid liver problems); for those that don't know, that's considered a relatively high dose (to me, but I'm relatively conservative; some use a LOT more). I've used trenbolone in the past, which is one of the (if not the) harshest anabolics available. At various points, I threw in up to 50mcg of T3, 10-15mg/day of yohimbine, and 5-7.5mg/day of bromocriptine. Right now I'm running a mild dose of clenbuterol. I haven't ruled out the use of insulin, DNP, growth hormone, and stronger dopamine agonists (like bromo but worse) in future efforts.
The stuff you guys worry about like EC and appetite suppressants is a drop in the bucket as far as I'm concerned; but putting it mildly, no, health isn't the number one priority for a lot of people in this, and the longer you stay in this game, the more you'll find a big divergence.
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 10:22 PM
I try to keep it as healthy as possible as much as possible. nce.
:lol:
Come on!
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Kathryn@May 24 2006, 08:16 PM
I personally think it's kind of tough to be healthy and try to achieve a great body..at least for me...being healthy in shape for the army means doing cardio regularly..especially timed long distance runs..so it can become a conflict..but I realize that I need to do it and it's also good for my cardiovascular health
I feel the same way about firefighting, but it's such a conflict in my mind....there are things I just can't achieve and still be able to do firefighting :dry: it pisses me right off
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 02:26 AM
Seriously. Just because 95% of the time it's not possible doesn't mean I don't try the other 5% of the time.
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 10:26 PM
Seriously. Just because 95% of the time it's not possible doesn't mean I don't try the other 5% of the time.
LMAO
:lol: :lol: :lol:
drlinda
05-25-2006, 02:26 AM
It is a little of both for me. I need to keep myself strong and healthy for myself as well as my four children. By eating right and working out , I am setting an example for them. It is important to me also to look my best. The children can see the effects of a healthy lifestyle and it is something that they are also striving for.
Originally posted by drlinda@May 24 2006, 10:26 PM
It is a little of both for me. I need to keep myself strong and healthy for myself as well as my four children. By eating right and working out , I am setting an example for them. It is important to me also to look my best. The children can see the effects of a healthy lifestyle and it is something that they are also striving for.
That's good stuff.
3sweeties
05-25-2006, 02:27 AM
Long term it is about health for me. When I was younger it was all about looking good. Last February I when I had my physical my cholesterol was right at 200. I go the first part of June for my yearly . I've never ate as clean as I have the last 5 months and I'm hoping I'll see it lower. I have a family history of high cholesterol and high blood pressure.
Pearly
05-25-2006, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by smuggie@May 24 2006, 07:52 PM
Stress management? What's that? :unsure:
Try denial.
;) JK.
I admit it. It's about lookin' hot. Nekkid and clothed.
I do cardio so I can be leaner. Although healthy by-products are that my athsma has all but gone away, I don't have gall stones anymore, and I only get migraines once a year.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 08:22 PM
I try to keep it as healthy as possible as much as possible. Unfortunately, bodybuilding ain't about health.
This may or may not be new information, but the last steroid cycle I ran (my third) lasted for just shy of a year, running an average of 750mg a week of testosterone and 30-40mg per day of dianabol (cycled to avoid liver problems); for those that don't know, that's considered a relatively high dose (to me, but I'm relatively conservative; some use a LOT more). I've used trenbolone in the past, which is one of the (if not the) harshest anabolics available. At various points, I threw in up to 50mcg of T3, 10-15mg/day of yohimbine, and 5-7.5mg/day of bromocriptine. Right now I'm running a mild dose of clenbuterol. I haven't ruled out the use of insulin, DNP, growth hormone, and stronger dopamine agonists (like bromo but worse) in future efforts.
The stuff you guys worry about like EC and appetite suppressants is a drop in the bucket as far as I'm concerned; but putting it mildly, no, health isn't the number one priority for a lot of people in this, and the longer you stay in this game, the more you'll find a big divergence.
(Yeah, I know, I was going to say this stuff, but I didn't want to call you out or offend you. Wanted to leave it up to you to talk about...)
Originally posted by Pearly+May 24 2006, 10:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pearly @ May 24 2006, 10:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-smuggie@May 24 2006, 07:52 PM
Stress management? What's that? :unsure:
Try denial.
;) JK.
[/b][/quote]
This has always worked for me and it's my preferred method
Originally posted by Leah+May 24 2006, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leah @ May 24 2006, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Pearly@May 24 2006, 10:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-smuggie@May 24 2006, 07:52 PM
Stress management? What's that? :unsure:
Try denial.
;) JK.
This has always worked for me and it's my preferred method [/b][/quote]
It doesn't work at all for you. :dry:
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 24 2006, 10:33 PM
(Yeah, I know, I was going to say this stuff, but I didn't want to call you out or offend you. Wanted to leave it up to you to talk about...)
Like everybody doesn't already know I'm the board juicehead.
Originally posted by Thunder+May 24 2006, 10:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 24 2006, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Leah@May 24 2006, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Pearly@May 24 2006, 10:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-smuggie@May 24 2006, 07:52 PM
Stress management? What's that? :unsure:
Try denial.
;) JK.
This has always worked for me and it's my preferred method
It doesn't work at all for you. :dry: [/b][/quote]
Only cause you don't let me do it anymore :p
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 08:44 PM
Like everybody doesn't already know I'm the board juicehead.
Still not appropriate for me to go "And how about you Matt? You know about all those fucking steroids, so how much is it about health for you?"
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 24 2006, 10:45 PM
Still not appropriate for me to go "And how about you Matt? You know about all those fucking steroids, so how much is it about health for you?"
You still operate under the assumption that 1) that would offend me and 2) that I can be offended on the Internet in the first place.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 08:47 PM
You still operate under the assumption that 1) that would offend me and 2) that I can be offended on the Internet in the first place.
I guess I should stop trying to be offensive then...or start...or stop...or....what am I supposed to do again?
Swiss
05-25-2006, 03:22 AM
I'm 41 and with 2 young chidren, so I can say that yes, now it is about being healthy. I won't deny that I like to look good also. I also plan to take it to the next step by hiring Thunder and getting a smokin' bod, and that, of course, is about achieving personal goals, etc. (and vanity).
Eating cleaner is getting easier and easier for me as I get older because I truly believe the healthy/clean foods will make a positive impact on my health. My youngest is only 5, and I want to be able to keep up with both him and my daughter as they get to be teenagers and young adults. I envision us as a family still taking vacations together (skiing ,etc.) when they are older and I want to be part of that.
I also see the HUGE difference in my FIL who is 73, eats healthy, exercises, runs in marathons, and my own father, who is only a few years older and doesn't eat well, has osteoarthritis and now Parkinson's. I notice this with other ageing family members. The difference between the ones who exercise regularly and eat pretty healthy and the ones how eat high-fat (bad fat), processed foods and get no exercise is like night and day. Really, the differences are striking.
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 03:29 AM
I'm sure my outlook will change as I age as well, being that I'm a relatively unstable nutcase.
The irony is, the very drugs that most would consider me "abusing" now will help contribute to quality of life as I age.
Test, GH, and all that jazz drops off around 35-40 in men, and continues a steady decline from there on out.
I have full plans to keep replacement doses of test, GH, T3, and bromocriptine (to help central leptin regulation) in my system from that point on out. By that point, I'll almost certainly shift my training and diet from emphasis on strength/size to a more general fitness/health standpoint.
I may not be able to cheat aging (yet), but I can damn sure give it a fight.
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 11:29 PM
I have full plans to keep replacement doses of test, GH, T3, and bromocriptine (to help central leptin regulation) in my system from that point on out. By that point, I'll almost certainly shift my training and diet from emphasis on strength/size to a more general fitness/health standpoint.
What's the dosing for all that?
Swiss
05-25-2006, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by drlinda@May 25 2006, 02:26 AM
It is a little of both for me. I need to keep myself strong and healthy for myself as well as my four children. By eating right and working out , I am setting an example for them. It is important to me also to look my best. The children can see the effects of a healthy lifestyle and it is something that they are also striving for.
I agree. My daughter (10) knows quite a bit about nutrition since I'm always yammering on about it.
We were at Borders the other day and she bought a book about the ill effects (affects?) of fast food. Sorta like a "Supersize Me" for the junior set. :lol: She's interested in knowing more about food now -- both the benefits and detriments of certain foods.
Both kids are also into doing pullups on our chinup bar at home. They have a "contest" each night. :lol:
And I will also say that you can most definitely change the eating habits of children. While I never was a feed your kids fast food every week type of mom , I did allow the kids to slack on veggies. I've tightened up the reigns a bit, and lo and behold, they now like fish, spaghetti squash, zucchini, broccoli, etc. I also buy far, far fewer processes snack foods for them.
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 24 2006, 11:30 PM
What's the dosing for all that?
Test, 250-300mg every 7-14 days
T3, 12.5-25mcg/day
GH, 1-2 IU/day
Bromo's probably around 1.25-2.5mg/day, and probably not necessary for long-term use.
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 24 2006, 11:35 PM
Test, 250-300mg every 7-14 days
T3, 12.5-25mcg/day
GH, 1-2 IU/day
Bromo's probably around 1.25-2.5mg/day, and probably not necessary for long-term use.
So you'll do that for the rest of your life?
What about anti-aromatase usage? I believe aromatizing issues are far greater an issue than 5-AR issues for long term prostate health.
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 03:45 AM
Not so much with replacement dosages. Low amounts like that really aren't going to make it an issue any more than baseline test would.
If it does come up, just throw in some finasteride to block the 5-A reduction.
I never had issues with it, short of bloat, even running a gram of test with no anti-es of any time, FWIW.
Pinky
05-25-2006, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by drlinda@May 24 2006, 08:26 PM
It is a little of both for me. I need to keep myself strong and healthy for myself as well as my four children. By eating right and working out , I am setting an example for them. It is important to me also to look my best. The children can see the effects of a healthy lifestyle and it is something that they are also striving for.
My feelings exactly.
There is definitely a vanity issue, I mean, I want to be a yummy mommy. I want people to look at me and say, "I can't believe you have a kid!". I want my husband to be proud of me.
But, I also do it, so I can keep up with my daughter, and to set a good example. I see far to many obese children these days, it just isn't healthy. I want my daughter to make healthy choices on her own, not just because I "make her". Mind you my hubby has to remind me once in a while to lighten up a bit.... :oops:
Eegor
05-25-2006, 04:38 AM
for me it was always about looks when i was younger, but lately i've changed i think.. not that it's not about looks anymore :p but everytime i eat clean for a long period of time it feels so good and kinda proud when i think how healthy it must be for my body and how much better it feels then eating crap. studying biology made me even more aware of that though :)
it's not that it is about being healthy now but it does go through my mind more often then before.
sunny
05-25-2006, 07:53 AM
For me it's first of all about personal development.
I think it's very important to do something like a sport, to develop your vital personality traits, such as willpower and emotional strength.
Many parents send their children to study music, to dance or to do sports seriously. Do they really want their kids to become great pianists, ballet stars or professional athletes? More often than not, they want their children to acquire strong work ethic, to develop patience and tenacity through hard work instead.
Likewise, I feel I still need something similar, to continue working on my personality.
And, yes, I'm going to take a meditaion class. Very poor stress management here, too. :o
The second important thing is health. And I'm focusing on developing permanent healthy habits, as opposed to focusing on my weight, measurements, strength or looks. My goal is to function well as a system, to work well, to be balanced, to be strong.
I feel like I've just never yet had the time to focus on my looks. Too busy with other things. :o ( Or is it just the way my priorities have always been set? :unsure: ) But looks alone can't motivate me.
There are so many people around me who are smarter, stronger, prettiier.
I can't stand the competition.
But I can work to be the best woman I can be, inside first of all, and simply feel secure.
Right now, for me, it's about 50/50 health/vanity. When I got divorced 3 years ago, I was suddenly (and I mean SUDDENLY) given a 2nd shot at life. The chance to control my own schedule, make my own plans without conferring with anyone, and the chance to fall in love again for the first time. Divorce sucks, but 2nd chances are a gift!
Did I want to fall in love as a doughy middle-aged mom, scrambing to cover her fatness with the sheets afterwards, or did I want to fall in love as a fit, hot walking-around-the-house-nekkid woman? Slam. Dunk.
At the outset, I lost 20lbs in 2 months from extreme stress, and while it was an awful way to lose weight, I was determined that it would be my new baseline. Over the past year, I got doughy again, so in Feb I finally got serious.
On the healthy side, I have the challenge of living with a Super Jock son (hockey star, runner, pentathalete, you name it), and I was sick of sitting in my lawn chair on the sidelines. He did all this on adrenaline alone, eating "ok", but not "healthy". While he's not on the diet I'm on now, my healthy changes have definitely trickled down to my kids - they see my effort and determination, and they're proud of me. My son is 14 now, so just thinking about hitting the gym, and when he's ready, I hope it's something we can do together.
Sportsgirl
05-25-2006, 12:20 PM
Here are my reasons for working out in order:
1. Pure enjoyment
2. To look good
3. Health.
2 & 3 are almost on par with each other. I see far too many frail old people in my job...and I don't want to end up that way. I want to be one of those fit grandmas that can lift a shitload of weight.
Strive2Define
05-25-2006, 12:25 PM
I just eat healthy so I can make my boys miserable .........at least that is what my youngest told me a couple of years back :lol:
Actually many people around me have implied that because I choose to eat a certain way and exercise daily and in a certain manner(deliberately) that it is a sign that I am afraid of growing older.Problem is, I already look younger than all of these people are who razz me about it :happy:
mybell
05-25-2006, 02:16 PM
Sometimes I think I'm doing it just because I'm vain, I don't want to jiggle when I walk, that I want to look hot in a swim suit, (I'm getting too old to look good naked.) But then I remember all the health problems that are in my family, and it scares me. Cancer, heart diease, obesity. I want to make sure I"m here for a long time for my children, I want to live a happy, healthy and active life.
And I'm doing it to perserve my sanity. It's a stress release and it helps with my depression and anxiety. It also has helped me so much with my confidence and self esteem. This whole life style has changed my life, I'd never give it up.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Sportsgirl@May 25 2006, 06:20 AM
Here are my reasons for working out in order:
1. Pure enjoyment
2. To look good
3. Health.
2 & 3 are almost on par with each other. I see far too many frail old people in my job...and I don't want to end up that way. I want to be one of those fit grandmas that can lift a shitload of weight.
See...at this point in my life, I don't even really want to make it past 40, to be honest. I just want to look good till I'm 40, then one day just not wake up. If I had something to give a shit about in my life (ie, husband, kids) maybe I'd feel differently, but the way I am going right now, I really am just friggin truckin on because I have to and my heart just won't damn well stop beating, so I might as well look alright if I have to be here.
Sportsgirl
05-25-2006, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 11:47 PM
See...at this point in my life, I don't even really want to make it past 40, to be honest. I just want to look good till I'm 40, then one day just not wake up. If I had something to give a shit about in my life (ie, husband, kids) maybe I'd feel differently, but the way I am going right now, I really am just friggin truckin on because I have to and my heart just won't damn well stop beating, so I might as well look alright if I have to be here.
Why do you assume that nothing good is going to come of your future? If you don't have any plans coming up to look forward to... make some!
patience123
05-25-2006, 02:32 PM
To me it's ALL about health. Dont' get me wrong, I do want to look good in a bikini, but if that will hurt my health, then no thanks.
It used to be all about looks to me, but was achieved in the worst way... and then I got sick. I'm working to overcome all the problems it caused me till this day. Bleh!
Looking good is a great feeling, but it's NOTHING when you're feeling like :censor:
flipflops
05-25-2006, 02:35 PM
id say for me, getting through cancer was the biggest thing. after something like that happens at a young age, it gives you a totally different view on things. its not like i was on my death bed or anything, but it makes you feel differently about how you treat your body. you dont want to go and drink all weekend and eat crap food all the time. i want to live the rest of my life to the fullest, and i want to have fun. to be able to do that, i needed to make a change in my diet and exercise patterns, so that i would be around and healthy enough to do the things i want to do. (how corny does that sound?? ha)
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Sportsgirl+May 25 2006, 08:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sportsgirl @ May 25 2006, 08:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 11:47 PM
See...at this point in my life, I don't even really want to make it past 40, to be honest. I just want to look good till I'm 40, then one day just not wake up. If I had something to give a shit about in my life (ie, husband, kids) maybe I'd feel differently, but the way I am going right now, I really am just friggin truckin on because I have to and my heart just won't damn well stop beating, so I might as well look alright if I have to be here.
Why do you assume that nothing good is going to come of your future? If you don't have any plans coming up to look forward to... make some! [/b][/quote]
I just feel like I am spinning my wheels. Every time I strive for something, I get it. And I'm still never happy with it. I am now starting to realize it's not about 'stuff', it's about people, and good ones are getting harder and harder to find.
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 09:37 AM
it's about people, and good ones are getting harder and harder to find.
True that.
I was in a different mindset too when I was younger. Then I started travelling. India, Central America, Europe. Made me realize there was a much, much bigger picture out there. (And that is actually when I quit lifting for a couple years...)
This is the elitist route - many can't/won't travel like this, but at least reading about lifestyles around the world can shift your focus, and maybe inspire new hobbies.
Sportsgirl
05-25-2006, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 26 2006, 12:07 AM
good ones are getting harder and harder to find.
True dat.
Angelkae
05-25-2006, 02:50 PM
I'd say it's half and half for me... I want to look hot, not doubt about that, but I'm not willing to risk my health on it by using unhealthy means.
I won't use supplements because they typically aren't approved or regulated by the FDA, so who knows if they are safe or what's going into them... I mean the labels may not even be accurate. I do use whey protein powder but I don't really think of that in the same way as I do pills and such.
Also, I had some eating disorder issues as a teen, and I don't want to get wrapped up in the unhealthy lifestyle. I could totally stop eating and workout twice a day and take every diet pill I could find but I can't let myself get that way again... lol. What good is being skinny if you have crappy muscle tone and your hair is falling out? lol...
I also find myself striving for a different type of body than I used to. I used to want to be skinny, no matter what. But now, I want the muscle, and I want to work for it! :)
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 10:17 AM
See...at this point in my life, I don't even really want to make it past 40, to be honest. I just want to look good till I'm 40, then one day just not wake up. If I had something to give a shit about in my life (ie, husband, kids) maybe I'd feel differently, but the way I am going right now, I really am just friggin truckin on because I have to and my heart just won't damn well stop beating, so I might as well look alright if I have to be here.
This disappoints me. How old are you Chels? 25?
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 25 2006, 09:15 AM
This disappoints me. How old are you Chels? 25?
:blink:
21.... :unsure: :oops:
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 03:48 PM
How did my ass get back there, and why is it so darn wide??? :lol:
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 11:47 AM
:blink:
21.... :unsure: :oops:
21 and you have such a hopeless outlook? Come on Chels. Your life hasn't even started yet.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 25 2006, 09:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 25 2006, 09:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 11:47 AM
:blink:
21.... :unsure: :oops:
21 and you have such a hopeless outlook? Come on Chels. Your life hasn't even started yet. [/b][/quote]
That's the problem.
And honestly, I feel 30 anyways.
I've done so much "for my age"....yet I feel like I have nothing
Blah.
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 04:16 PM
pffff....you don't even know what depression, loss of hope, and self-hating are. You should have seen me at 21.
Hoochiemomma
05-25-2006, 04:41 PM
It's all about health for me. Not gonna starve myself and have a fit if my pants are too tight. My kids have grown up eating well and will have that foundation to build on. But I like looking good too ;)
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 10:16 AM
pffff....you don't even know what depression, loss of hope, and self-hating are. You should have seen me at 21.
Glad you know me so well :wink:
What else can you tell me about me and my life?
curvyone
05-25-2006, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Swiss@May 24 2006, 10:32 PM
I agree. My daughter (10) knows quite a bit about nutrition since I'm always yammering on about it.
We were at Borders the other day and she bought a book about the ill effects (affects?) of fast food. Sorta like a "Supersize Me" for the junior set. :lol: She's interested in knowing more about food now -- both the benefits and detriments of certain foods.
Both kids are also into doing pullups on our chinup bar at home. They have a "contest" each night. :lol:
And I will also say that you can most definitely change the eating habits of children. While I never was a feed your kids fast food every week type of mom , I did allow the kids to slack on veggies. I've tightened up the reigns a bit, and lo and behold, they now like fish, spaghetti squash, zucchini, broccoli, etc. I also buy far, far fewer processes snack foods for them.
This sounds so much like my family. My DH is a former college football player, lift weights, my 16 yr/old plays HS football, run track, lifts weights, 13 yr/ daughter runs track and cheerleeding so living a healthy lifestyle is important to us. Our daughter asked me last year to get her some 2lb weights, even our 5 yr/ old does pushups and tries to put on lifting gloves to do weights and he says his favorite food is broccoli :lol: . I think these lessons are lifelong for children and they will continue to lead a healthy/ fit lifestyle into adulthood it is now almost second nature to them.
Angelkae
05-25-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 25 2006, 10:48 AM
How did my ass get back there, and why is it so darn wide??? :lol:
Whatever! You look hawt.
You should see my big ole' butt. It would SOOO make you feel better!
:pimpslap: (Just had to use that)
Pinky
05-25-2006, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Angelkae@May 25 2006, 11:41 AM
You should see my big ole' butt.
Well, we need more pix in the T & A thread.... ;)
homeschoolmom
05-25-2006, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by flipflops@May 25 2006, 10:35 AM
id say for me, getting through cancer was the biggest thing. after something like that happens at a young age, it gives you a totally different view on things. its not like i was on my death bed or anything, but it makes you feel differently about how you treat your body. you dont want to go and drink all weekend and eat crap food all the time. i want to live the rest of my life to the fullest, and i want to have fun. to be able to do that, i needed to make a change in my diet and exercise patterns, so that i would be around and healthy enough to do the things i want to do. (how corny does that sound?? ha)
Not corny at all!! :) My friend died of breast cancer last August. She was 37 years old(my age) and had kids the same age as mine. Watching her die made me want to live a fuller life. I don't want to miss one second of watching my babies grow up. So health is definitely a priority. I can imagine being a survivor really makes your priorities change.
H&G'sMom
05-25-2006, 06:18 PM
For me, it is ALL about health. My health and setting an example of a healthy lifestyle for my two boys. I honestly don't expect to wear a bikini in public anytime in my life, LOL! Yet I want to be healthy enough to put on a suit and go to the pool with my boys and swim and play without getting exhaused. I wasn't healthy when I was so overweight, and it showed - in how I played with my kids, with how I participated in activities.
Now, I am much healthier. I can keep up with my kids, LOL :) but I know that I am still not at a 'healthy weight' for my height. Working out for me, is all about getting to that point.
I wish that I could really say I loved working out, or found real enjoyment from lifting weights and such. But really, I love playing tennis, volleyball, softball, rollerblading... I do not enjoy reps and sets in the big picture. I go, I do what I know I need to do, I leave ;) I wish I had the desire to 'look good nekid', perhaps it would motivate me more :lol: But I don't. Oh well. :)
PinkGlitter86
05-25-2006, 06:48 PM
I look at members of my family, who just sit around with no real hobbies...they all come home from work and sit in front of the TV...that's what my grandfather did when he retired, and now he's the size of a beached whale and has so many health problems. My mom has struggled with body image her entire life...and going about losing weight in the worst possible way at the moment...my father doesn't care about health at all (he's basically just waiting to die)...
I guess you could say it's about health, but for me it's more of the desire to not be a lazy fat-ass w/no life...just sitting around w/no desire to do anything...just basically waiting for old age and then death. That will NOT be me...I absolutely refuse to follow that example. I love my parents and they have provided for me in every possible way, but I'll be damned if I follow their footsteps in regards to health, and I'll fight tooth and nail for any future children of mine to see that people live like that.
Angelkae
05-25-2006, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Pinky+May 25 2006, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 25 2006, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@May 25 2006, 11:41 AM
You should see my big ole' butt.
Well, we need more pix in the T & A thread.... ;) [/b][/quote]
There's a T & A thread?? I gotta see that....
:party2:
sunny
05-25-2006, 07:16 PM
I think by now my looks have never yet mattered.
I have a sedentary job.
I feel like like nothing is determined by the width of my waist, yet everything is determined by the width of my smile.
How good my body is - does it ever matter in my life?
What is in my head defines everything.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 08:28 PM
I completely understand you moms (and dads) out there who do it to set an example for your kids, and if I had kids that would be THE priority in my life; to show them how to grow up healthy and happy - give them the opposite of a lot of the things my mom gave me. I love my mom and we get along now and I would give the world for her, but she messed up a LOT when I was young, and I refuse to do that to my kids when I have them. My kids will be my life and everything that is good for them will be what I strive for. But right now, not having kids....I am sadly stagnating....I know I should think "the future" and care about being happy and healthy for them when they come, and boy will I be...but if, god forbid, they never come....I don't want to live to be old. I believe if I never have kids I will have nothing. It's the one and only thing I know with 100% certainty that I want and will always want.
sunny
05-25-2006, 08:32 PM
How do you define yourself?
What is your most important goal?
Why do you want to look good? Just for the sake of it, or maybe it is career-related? Or something else? Or to gain self-confidence? Or just to be proud of yourself? Or because you are competitive? Why? :)
A great thread.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by sunny@May 25 2006, 02:32 PM
How do you define yourself?
What is your most important goal?
Why do you want to look good? Just for the sake of it, or maybe it is career-related? Or something else? Or to gain self-confidence? Or just to be proud of yourself? Or because you are competitive? Why? :)
A great thread.
I define myself as garbage at the moment, but I am working on it.
My most important goal is to be friggin RIPPED and become a municipal firefighter.
I want to LOOK good so I can be hot for someone someday, and be a yummy mummy. I want to be IN SHAPE so I can do my job well when I finally get to my career goal. I want to be confident and a good role model for my future kids and not a lard ass with diabetes and heart disease at an early age.
I am competitive too. Always have been. I want to stand out. I don't want to just be another girl, I want to be different. And that is in every aspect of my life, not JUST fitness. I want people to look at me and think I'm different, not just typical....
Thanks :wink:
Jenny
05-25-2006, 08:42 PM
Right now, for me it's all about looking good. Only thing is sometimes this leads me to feel selfish and guilty. My kids are involved in alot of activities and at times, I find myself dropping them off at practice and rushing to the gym or going running instead of being there watching them (I know they would prefer me to be there). :unsure: I always make it to their games though.
At other times, they would like to go out and eat. I know there are usually healthy choices, but right now I'm trying to be really strict about my diet, so I try to stay away from the temptation. ;)
Is this really selfish? Probably not, but it's still hard to deny your kids the extra time or activities without feeling some remorse!
My healthy lifestyle was all about how it made me look, until my Dad's health started to decline. He had been overweight and was diabetic. Then he got throat cancer and had to go thru treatment for that. I knew I needed to start taking care of myself to protect my health. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in November, and I know I would not have done so well on treatment if I had not been in such good shape otherwise. To me it is ALL about health now, looking good is secondary to longevity and quality of life.
sunny
05-25-2006, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Chelsinator+May 25 2006, 03:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ May 25 2006, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sunny@May 25 2006, 02:32 PM
How do you define yourself?
What is your most important goal?
Why do you want to look good? Just for the sake of it, or maybe it is career-related? Or something else? Or to gain self-confidence? Or just to be proud of yourself? Or because you are competitive? Why? :)
A great thread.
My most important goal is to be friggin RIPPED and become a municipal firefighter.
I want to LOOK good so I can be hot for someone someday, and be a yummy mummy. I want to be IN SHAPE so I can do my job well when I finally get to my career goal. I want to be confident and a good role model for my future kids and not a lard ass with diabetes and heart disease at an early age.
I am competitive too. Always have been. I want to stand out. I don't want to just be another girl, I want to be different. And that is in every aspect of my life, not JUST fitness. I want people to look at me and think I'm different, not just typical....
Thanks :wink: [/b][/quote]
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Cool!!! These are great goals!!! And I'm sure you'll get there very soon!!! You are doing great, Chels! :)
Good luck to you!!!
Stay strong, hot :p and healthy! :wave:
jrb1980
05-25-2006, 09:53 PM
Delicate balance for me, I would say maybe 60% health/40% appearance is I was being honest. Though, the health % is gaining momentum as I get older (....says she who takes EC with her diet 7-up :oops: )
PowerManDL
05-25-2006, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by jrb1980@May 25 2006, 05:53 PM
(....says she who takes EC with her diet 7-up :oops: )
You're hardcore.
Chelsinator
05-25-2006, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 03:58 PM
You're hardcore.
:lol: ass.
jrb1980
05-26-2006, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 09:58 PM
You're hardcore.
:lol: :lol: just saying sometimes I talk the talk like I am 110% HEALTH, but then I do something hypocritical to what is really "healthy". Like I buy organic chicken and battle an artificial sweetner addiction all at the same thing.
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 12:50 AM
Health is all relative.
At the peak of my drug use, I'd guarantee I'm healthier than the average fat-fuck scarfing McDonald's for five meals a day.
I only eat McDonald's once a day.
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 08:50 PM
At the peak of my drug use, I'd guarantee I'm healthier than the average fat-fuck scarfing McDonald's for five meals a day.
Who does that? :blink:
Mandy
05-26-2006, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 25 2006, 09:09 PM
Who does that? :blink:
My parents eat Wendys 2-3 times a week, pizza another 2-3 times a week (this is all their "supper" time meals), maybe another pizza joing but get something else like subs another time or two. My dad might eat fast food for his lunch occasionally as well. They only eat the "standard" 3 meals.
Makes me sick. my dad's not the least bit overweight either. He could kick a lot of people's asses, doesn't mean he's healthy, just not fat. Now, I can't say the same for my mom, but she hides bags of oreos, tins of cookies, cheerios, candy bars, etc.
Chelsinator
05-26-2006, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Mandy+May 25 2006, 07:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mandy @ May 25 2006, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@May 25 2006, 09:09 PM
Who does that? :blink:
My parents eat Wendys 2-3 times a week, pizza another 2-3 times a week (this is all their "supper" time meals), maybe another pizza joing but get something else like subs another time or two. My dad might eat fast food for his lunch occasionally as well. They only eat the "standard" 3 meals.
Makes me sick. my dad's not the least bit overweight either. He could kick a lot of people's asses, doesn't mean he's healthy, just not fat. Now, I can't say the same for my mom, but she hides bags of oreos, tins of cookies, cheerios, candy bars, etc. [/b][/quote]
I don't see my mom often, but when I do, I will stare at her as she sits there eating a whole bag of Kernels popcorn to herself, or a pot of pasta with butter and parmesan, or some other grease ball thing I can't stand, and I will just stare....and she will refuse to make eys contact. It's is though, if she doesn't make eye contact, they shit she is shovelling into her mouth doesn't exist.... :dry:
jaleena
05-26-2006, 04:22 AM
Chels, I understand about not having much to hold on to. Having bought my place a year and a half ago, it feels like I'll be alone forever, even though I'm still young.
My thing would probably be mental health...I tend to fixate on things, and this doesn't really get in the way of important things, like employability and not getting my house foreclosed on or my car re-po'd.
Probably very little health, and less looks. If it were health, I wouldn't be concerned with jacking my numbers through the roof...I'd look at my hands after a 2x+bw pin pull and see that they're tearing apart, and I wouldn't do that again. But I do, sometimes I'll tape my hands, but that really only works afterwards...tape isn't good for the grip, so I let my hands become devoid of skin. I wouldn't push for a heavier squat when I feel somewhat compressed after sets with 1.5xbw...but I do, I'm not even close to satisfied. I wouldn't be looking at bench shirts, after all the stories I've heard about people screwing up lifts with weight far in excess of what their body can really handle, and how that left them with broken bones and/or torn muscles...but I am.
Nutritionally, I eat to fuel my lifting. I get a little more enjoyment out of it that just that, but that's really it. I only diet to move around weight classes. I haven't used any supplements beyond protein powder and fish oil, but my answer of record has been "not this week"...I have no plans of using anything, and certainly not soon, but there is a certain allure. And I have no qualms health-wise, just the legality.
For cardio, I take fight classes. Ever-present danger of breaking a variety of bones...not good for health or appearance, but it's another outlet for the OCD tendencies...everything's very focused in there, so it's a good escape/release.
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 04:28 AM
You sound almost as crazy as me.
Almost.
Lexy007
05-26-2006, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 11:28 PM
You sound almost as crazy as me.
Almost.
Id beat you in that department in a flash. :dry:
jaleena
05-26-2006, 04:33 AM
Maybe I used to be. I'm more sane now that I have been plenty of times in the past, despite frequent sleep deprivation. But quite possibly I will be again around September...there is an annual trend of me doing something nuts early every fall, that changes my life long-term.
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Lexy007+May 26 2006, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lexy007 @ May 26 2006, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 11:28 PM
You sound almost as crazy as me.
Almost.
Id beat you in that department in a flash. :dry: [/b][/quote]
No, you wouldn't.
jaleena
05-26-2006, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Lexy007+May 26 2006, 04:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lexy007 @ May 26 2006, 04:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@May 25 2006, 11:28 PM
You sound almost as crazy as me.
Almost.
Id beat you in that department in a flash. :dry: [/b][/quote]
Doubt it. Because he beats me, and the street fighter at my gym thought I was an assasin :shrug: Some other guys thought I was a bouncer until they figured out how unfriendly I know how to be, then they decided I'm a bodyguard. I've tried explaining what I really do, but I've gotten about as far as "drug dealer" :huh:
So...this is the impression I make on guys who are/were military, Teams guys, ex-bounty hunters, cops, bar fighters, street fighters, all of that. And I've never raised my voice or cursed , or worn anything non-cute. Must be the insanity.
So, what's the first impression you give off?
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by jaleena@May 26 2006, 12:33 AM
Maybe I used to be. I'm more sane now that I have been plenty of times in the past, despite frequent sleep deprivation. But quite possibly I will be again around September...there is an annual trend of me doing something nuts early every fall, that changes my life long-term.
Mine's always spring or early summer.
Last year, it was picking up and moving here on two week's notice with no money or place to live.
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by jaleena@May 26 2006, 12:39 AM
So, what's the first impression you give off?
I always get "serial killer".
And I can't stand at the door in front of bars because people think I'm the bouncer.
Funny story. Last summer I was in front of this place Fat Cats here in town. Admittedly this was back in my fat/bald phase, but I was minding my business by the door and these three girls come up to me and ask if we were still open because they needed to use the restroom.
I said yes, but the cover was five bucks.
Easiest 15 bucks I ever made.
jaleena
05-26-2006, 04:42 AM
Actually, it was winter the time I did that :shrug:
But last year I took up lifting...and clearly that's taken up a bit of my life. The year before, I bought my house. Pretty much on whim. After getting Lasik...which was long-anticipated, but a rather sudden decision, nonetheless.
No clue I was going to do this stuff until it happened, there really was no planning phase...so I don't know what's coming next.
jaleena
05-26-2006, 04:43 AM
You're such a scoundrel, $5 each to move out of the doorway :lol:
And you know I was asking that of Lexy, right?
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 04:47 AM
I wasn't blocking the door though. Just standing there off to the side (though I did have my arms crossed) waiting for a friend to finish hitting on some chick.
And yes, I know. I just wanted to answer.
jaleena
05-26-2006, 04:51 AM
Answer away, you have good stories! I just wouldn't challenge you on average, day-to-day nuttiness :p
So have you thought up a get-rich-quick scheme to feed off of people's gullibility, because it sounds like you're doing great with the get-rich-slow schemes :lol:
PowerManDL
05-26-2006, 04:57 AM
Just wait til my book's done. I won't even have to scam people to have them eating out of my hand; the innate idiocy of people in this field will have them fighting to throw money at me.
Chelsinator
05-26-2006, 05:17 AM
couple things;
#1, Lex, I'm with him on the "No, you wouldn't". He's crazier than my bf Trevor, and that guy is the craziest guy I have ever known, and just about the craziest I am comfortable knowing.
#2, If doing random shit on no notice makes you nuts, I am nuts. I up-play my sanity on here a lot...
Vanessa
05-27-2006, 04:00 AM
It's about health for me. Especially mental. It keeps me sane. It's almost like a meditation. When I've pushed myself harder than I thought I could, I know I've done something I can be proud of and I feel like I am moving up.
Plus I'm a paramedic. I know there is nothing worse than being a 45 year old man and having to pay some stranger to wipe your ass everyday cause you had a minor stroke...
We say "the other half". There are people who have the self respect to take care of themselves and there are the people who don't.
Not gonna lie, though, I have to look sexy in my bikini...I'd probably work out even if it was bad for you just to look good naked... :shades:
Nessa
clsupnorth
05-27-2006, 05:22 AM
Good thread....
For me, it fluctuates between Health/Disease Prevention/Competitiveness/Vanity/Pride. When I say 'fluctuates', I mean every 3 minutes. All day long I cycle through different attitudes of why I'm doing what I'm doing. When I put on my gym clothes, it's Vanity. When I study my Nursing courses, it's about Health & Disease prevention. When I get out my scale to weigh my 1/2 oz of pecans or measure out 2 tsp of peanut butter.....welll, then I think that's the Insanity part peeking out.
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