Beware of New Media Brainwashing About High Fructose Corn Syrup

[Erik]

The Corn Refiners Association is launching a major advertising and public relations campaign designed to rehabilitate the reputation of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). HFCS has been linked by many scientists to the nation's obesity epidemic.

The group is spending $20 million to $30 million on the campaign, including running full-page ads in more than a dozen major newspapers, claiming that the product is no worse for you than sugar. The ad, which features a stalk of corn, carries the headline: 'And Now a Little Food for Thought.'

The Corn Refiners Association "has been trying to counter the bad publicity around HFCS since 2004," but concluded it "could no longer afford to rely on simple grass-roots marketing tactics such as talking with nutritionists and doctors."

Meanwhile, in June a nearly $5 billion merger of Corn Products International and Bunge Ltd. signaled that corn manufacturers mean business. Revenues were expected to increase 29 percent in 2008 to reach $4 billion.

[Erik]

Author Commentary:

If you come across one of these ads in your local paper, now you’ll know better. HFCS is finally getting the reputation it deserves, and although most processed foods and sodas still contain it, even companies like Kraft are now touting foods that are HFCS-free.

Not surprisingly, the Corn Refiners Association is running these ads in response to the increasing public perception of the dangers of HFCS.

In a sense, it’s a good thing because it means the word is out about just how bad HFCS really is. On the other hand, most people are not as in-tune to the real motives of these associations as you are. Hopefully we can get the word out about what these ads are really about: money.

Since the 1970s, the consumption of HFCS in the United States has skyrocketed. Consumption of beverages containing fructose alone rose 135 percent between 1977 and 2001. That is until about 2003. According to the Corn Refiners Association statistics, the per capita consumption in the United States actually went down from 2 ounces daily in 2000 to 1.8 ounces a day in 2005. Please don’t misconstrue; this is still far too much corn syrup to be consuming in a day. But the trend is declining for the first time in over three decades. That’s a really good sign for the health of the community, but a bad one for the financial health of the companies that sell HFCS.

“And Now a Little Food for Thought”

If you see this headline from the Corn Growers Association, it will be intended to make you think HFCS is good for you. Well, I’d like to give you a little food for thought of my own.

Part of what makes HFCS such an unhealthy product is that it is metabolized to fat in your body far more rapidly than any other sugar, and, because most fructose is consumed in liquid form (soda), its negative metabolic effects are significantly magnified.

Among them:

* Diabetes
* Obesity
* Metabolic Syndrome
* An increase in triglycerides and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels
* Liver disease

Fructose also contains no enzymes, vitamins or minerals, and it leeches micronutrients from your body. Unbound fructose, found in large quantities in HFCS, can interfere with your heart's use of minerals such as magnesium, copper and chromium.

To add even more fuel to the fire, HFCS is almost always made from genetically modified corn, which is fraught with its own well documented side effects and health concerns. (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/08/enjoy-pesticides-in-every-bite-of-gmo-food.aspx)

GMO corn will radically increase your risk of developing corn food allergies. You can bet dimes to dollars on this one and become very wealthy if someone is crazy enough to disagree with you and take you up on this bet.

The problem with corn allergies are that once you have a corn allergy from GMO corn you will have an allergy to even healthy organic corn products.

On top of that, if you read through the Organic Consumers Association article linked to above, you get a feel for just how bad corn crops are for your waistline and the environment. On average, Americans eat over 14 tablespoons of sugar every day, and a growing portion of that is in the form of corn syrup. Aside from contributing to obesity, the more than 76 million acres of corn grown each year in the United States is hurting the land. Each year:

* Corn crops are sprayed with 162 million pounds of chemical pesticides
* Producing, packaging and transporting these pesticides contributes nearly 3 billion pounds of greenhouse gases to the environment each year
* About 18 billion pounds of synthetic fertilizers are used on corn crops every year, contributing 35 billion pounds of greenhouse gas emissions

Corn Syrup is NOT Natural

The Corn Growers Association wants you to believe that HFCS has the "same natural sweeteners as table sugar and honey." But don’t fall for it. HFCS is highly processed and does not exist anywhere in nature.

The good news is that avoiding the largest source of HFCS, soda, is one of the easiest things you can do to improve your health. Right off the bat, you can eliminate all soda and sugary drinks from your life.

This dangerous sweetener is also in many processed foods and fruit juices, so to avoid it completely you need to focus your diet on whole foods. And if you do purchase any processed foods, make sure you read the label … and put it back on the shelf if it lists high fructose corn syrup as an ingredient.

However, like most areas in life, you want to choose your poisons carefully. I spent several years researching artificial sweeteners for my book Sweet Deception. Even though HFCS is clearly something you want to avoid, it is not as bad as artificial sweeteners, which damage your health even more rapidly than HFCS.

So ideally avoid ALL sodas, but if you have a choice between soda sweetened with HFCS or artificial sweeteners, choose HFCS. The best and safest sweetener (although illegal to use according to the FDA) would be the herb Stevia.

[Blondell]

Great information in there, Erik. Thanks for posting. I plan to share this w/ others.

[fatty27]

I agree...I will be sharing this with many people, who REALLY need to read this.

[Cindy Day]

GREAT INFO--totally agree that HFCS is the debil.

However, there go so many things like A1 steak sauce (and Heinz 57), ketchup, ...oh hell there is a whole list here (including Ben & Jerry's ice cream :mecry: )

LIST OF FOODS CONTAINING HFCS (http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php/2005/06/09/foods_and_products_containing_high_fruct)

[Jen]

HFCS has been banned in our house for quite some time.

Cindy, you can find those products you mentioned without HFCS added at natural whole food stores :p they taste no diff. ... well I dont know about the Ben and Jerry's..

[Trinity]

Erik, thanks for the article. The hubby and I never touch the stuff. I always read labels and if I see HFCS it goes back on the shelf.

It can be difficult to find certain foods with out it. But if I can't find a healtheir version of something without the HFCS then I don't need to eat it anyway.

[Blondell]

I saw a commercial for this today. :sad:

[Noel Clark]

cindy---afer reading that list I am surprised about a few things...wow

Erik---looks like no more rice krispie treats for you :finger: :lol:



Do you realize how many Capri Suns kids are drinking? wow

[Birdie]

They probably hired the "Chocolate is good for you" or the "Wine is good for you" people to help them out. :blink:

But seriously thanks for sending this out- it is great information.

[RpH]

I think it would be a lot easier to ask what foods don't have it in there.

[Blondell]

They probably hired the "Chocolate is good for you" or the "Wine is good for you" people to help them out. :blink:

But seriously thanks for sending this out- it is great information.

Actually, both of those have some good things about them BUT you could get more 'bang for your buck' w/ grape juice in place of wine.

[Blondell]

I think it would be a lot easier to ask what foods don't have it in there.

What foods don't have it in there?

[Blondell]

:lol:

[Petro]

You have got to be kidding me...:dope:

[sunseeker]

I'm currently listening to the book on cd The Omnivore Dilemma by Michael Pollan.
He has a lot of interesting information specifically on this topic. Highly recommend the book if you're looking for more info on this.

[Erik]

I'm currently listening to the book on cd The Omnivore Dilemma by Michael Pollan.
He has a lot of interesting information specifically on this topic. Highly recommend the book if you're looking for more info on this.

I saw this book recently recommended by someone else too (can't remember who). So that's two recommendations - I think I'll pick it up. Neat that it can be bought on CD.

[sunseeker]

I saw this book recently recommended by someone else too (can't remember who). So that's two recommendations - I think I'll pick it up. Neat that it can be bought on CD.
He also has another great book called "In Defense of Food". I plan to read/listen to it once I'm done with this one.

[RunninGal]

I think it would be a lot easier to ask what foods don't have it in there.

No kidding

[Cathie]

My children are 7 and 9. I have them read the ingredients every time they ask me to buy any processed foods. Once they read high fructose corn syrup, they put it back because the know I'm not buying it :D

[Ms Rox]

When my son was about 7 years old, he told my sister (his aunt) that he wouldn't drink the Sunny D that she offered because it had HFCS in it. This was in front of the whole family at a birthday party. (I was so proud of him! :thumb:) He then asked for milk.

I saw two different versions of those ads last week. I didn't realize that they existed, so I was caught completely off-guard the first time. I thought it was a joke, somehow, as I watched the scene unfold. I don't believe I've EVER heard anyone speak positively about HFCS.

[orangechic]

I laughed the first time I saw the commerical!

[Noel Clark]

For those of you that are parents..what alternatives to you use? I know that Whole foods gets to be mighty expensive....

[Cathie]

For those of you that are parents..what alternatives to you use? I know that Whole foods gets to be mighty expensive....

Alternatives to anything in particular?

For example with juice, I still give some to my kids, but I always read the labels to make sure there's no HFCS. I try for organic when it's on sale.

[liz jaeger]

For those of you that are parents..what alternatives to you use? I know that Whole foods gets to be mighty expensive....

:yeahthat: on Whole Foods !! ... but .... regular juice (you know, plain) mixed with sparkling water .... umm ... water ... milk ... that is what my kids drink - a soda is a really rare occasion ... as far as other products with HFCS, we just don't buy them ... there are good organic/natural replacements at the regular grocery stores in most urban areas, not just the big cities ... sometimes too, the store brand will have a "natural" - like Kroger and Publix both have nat'l PB with no trans fats and no HFCS - just peanuts, peanut oil, and salt ... one of the big name manufacturer now makes an organic ketchup that has cane juice, no HFCS - I forget which - Publix has organic on that too ... cereal, ditto ... you can get it in the regular store, you have to read the labels !! .. .the Newman's products have good replacements !

[Noel Clark]

I have am in shock at how many things have this in it. I am revamping my pantry :lol: Drinks I don't worry about because my house really drinks water at this point. It is the snacks that are going to get me. I just need to start paying better attention....I want it all out :dope:

[Cathie]

Snacks and cereals are the ones. My 8 year old filed a compaint with the hubby when I stopped buying all the "good cereals".:laugh: But I have found lots of alternatives that have satisfied him since. Cereals I buy are

Puffins - PB & Cinnamon
Nature's Path Crisp Rice (instead of Rice Crispies)
Mother's PB Bumpers (instead of PB Capn' Crunch)
Mother's Cocoa Bumpers (instead of Cocoa Puffs)
Mother's Cinnamon Oat Crunch

For snacks I'll buy

Pirate's Booty and Smart Puffs (they love those)
Mr. Krispers sour cream & onion, barbacue and cheddar
Whole grain goldfish
Target has their brand (Archer Farms I think) that has organic crackers & granola bars too

Nothing is allowed in my house if it has HFCS in it :D

[Noel Clark]

Snacks and cereals are the ones. My 8 year old filed a compaint with the hubby when I stopped buying all the "good cereals".:laugh: But I have found lots of alternatives that have satisfied him since. Cereals I buy are

Puffins - PB & Cinnamon
Nature's Path Crisp Rice (instead of Rice Crispies)
Mother's PB Bumpers (instead of PB Capn' Crunch)
Mother's Cocoa Bumpers (instead of Cocoa Puffs)
Mother's Cinnamon Oat Crunch

For snacks I'll buy

Pirate's Booty and Smart Puffs (they love those)
Mr. Krispers sour cream & onion, barbacue and cheddar
Whole grain goldfish
Target has their brand (Archer Farms I think) that has organic crackers & granola bars too

Nothing is allowed in my house if it has HFCS in it :D

My kids eat really well compared to everyone else but after just really looking into this I feel I need to change these things too. Thanks for that list...Jamison (my munchkin) is gonna be so sad...she is the only one in the house that eats cereal :lol: Hopefully those you listed will work. thanks!!

[Erik]

My 8 year old filed a compaint with the hubby

:lol: That made me laugh.

[Sandy]

For those of you that are parents..what alternatives to you use? I know that Whole foods gets to be mighty expensive....

I don't have any products with HFCS.

I rarely buy juice and when I do it is juice and not a "fruit drink".

We buy Nature's Path and Barbara's cereals, both organic. The kids have grown up on these. I really don't find the price that much higher.

We don't have any of the typical kiddie snacks in the house (e.g., granola bars, bear paws, fruit roll ups, RK squares). I make and freeze whole grain muffins and granola bars for snacks at school. I air pop popcorn and season with coconut butter and sea salt (:drool:) for snacks. I bake (and freeze...frozen chocolate chip cookie balls are the best...fresh cookies any time) when we want sweets (taste much better in my opinion, so it is well worth the time).

I will be reading the ice cream carton the next time I buy!

[Cathie]

I don't have any products with HFCS.

I rarely buy juice and when I do it is juice and not a "fruit drink".

We buy Nature's Path and Barbara's cereals, both organic. The kids have grown up on these. I really don't find the price that much higher.

We don't have any of the typical kiddie snacks in the house (e.g., granola bars, bear paws, fruit roll ups, RK squares). I make and freeze whole grain muffins and granola bars for snacks at school. I air pop popcorn and season with coconut butter and sea salt (:drool:) for snacks. I bake (and freeze...frozen chocolate chip cookie balls are the best...fresh cookies any time) when we want sweets (taste much better in my opinion, so it is well worth the time).

I will be reading the ice cream carton the next time I buy!

You can order these on Amazon and some are even on their automatic shipment plan where you save an additional 15% and free shipping :wink: You do have to buy like 4 or 6 boxes at a time.

My son's friend came over the other day and looked in my pantry for a snack and then complained I have nothing "good" to eat :funny:

[Sandy]

You can order these on Amazon and some are even on their automatic shipment plan where you save an additional 15% and free shipping :wink: You do have to buy like 4 or 6 boxes at a time.

My son's friend came over the other day and looked in my pantry for a snack and then complained I have nothing "good" to eat :funny:

Funny, but sad. To me, a "snack" is a small meal and therefore should consist of healthy food choices. A "treat" is a treat.

Some of the snacks and lunches I have seen at schools should be banned!

[Inatic]

i have to say i havent buckled down on this one yet. We've clean up our eating a lot in the last few yrs but kiddos were raised on my poor habits. Slowly but surely they choices get less and limited. Most of my boys are older so it's a bit harder..youngest here is 9.

[KelleyM]

Ileen, I also haven't "buckled down" with this but slowly add in 'junk' without HFCS when I have to replace what we have.
As for juice, I did buy Costco's Kirkland brand 100% juice boxes and those have no HFCS in it. I looked at a few of the cereals and didn't see any HFCS in the ingredient list- of course, I didn't look at them ALL.... My husband says to make a "clean sweep" of the pantry and throw it all out, but I just can't bring myself to throw all that food away. :oops:

[Erik]

Do you guys who are conscious of HFCS do the same/watch out the same for trans fats in ingredient lists? (modified oils, etc)

[Cathie]

Do you guys who are conscious of HFCS do the same/watch out the same for trans fats in ingredient lists? (modified oils, etc)

YES

I wasn't going to say anything about your ice cream sandwiches :lol: but there are partially hydrogenated oils in those. I've been searching for a brand without them, but can't seem to find one yet.

Partially hydrogenated oils are not allowed in my house either.

[Erik]

YES

I wasn't going to say anything about your ice cream sandwiches :lol: but there are partially hydrogenated oils in those. I've been searching for a brand without them, but can't seem to find one yet.

I haven't had those in a while, outside of the 6 I had in one cheat. :lol:

[Noel Clark]

I don't have any products with HFCS.

I rarely buy juice and when I do it is juice and not a "fruit drink".

We buy Nature's Path and Barbara's cereals, both organic. The kids have grown up on these. I really don't find the price that much higher.

We don't have any of the typical kiddie snacks in the house (e.g., granola bars, bear paws, fruit roll ups, RK squares). I make and freeze whole grain muffins and granola bars for snacks at school. I air pop popcorn and season with coconut butter and sea salt (:drool:) for snacks. I bake (and freeze...frozen chocolate chip cookie balls are the best...fresh cookies any time) when we want sweets (taste much better in my opinion, so it is well worth the time).

I will be reading the ice cream carton the next time I buy!
Thanks for the info. I broke it to the girls and they gave me the oooohs and aaaaaahhhhs. :lol: I am going shopping tomorrow... :D :D :D

[/B]

Funny, but sad. To me, a "snack" is a small meal and therefore should consist of healthy food choices. A "treat" is a treat.

Some of the snacks and lunches I have seen at schools should be banned!

I sooooooooooo agree!!

[Inatic]

Snacks and cereals are the ones. My 8 year old filed a compaint with the hubby when I stopped buying all the "good cereals".:laugh: But I have found lots of alternatives that have satisfied him since. Cereals I buy are

Puffins - PB & Cinnamon
Nature's Path Crisp Rice (instead of Rice Crispies)
Mother's PB Bumpers (instead of PB Capn' Crunch)
Mother's Cocoa Bumpers (instead of Cocoa Puffs)
Mother's Cinnamon Oat Crunch

For snacks I'll buy

Pirate's Booty and Smart Puffs (they love those)
Mr. Krispers sour cream & onion, barbacue and cheddar
Whole grain goldfish
Target has their brand (Archer Farms I think) that has organic crackers & granola bars too

Nothing is allowed in my house if it has HFCS in it :D

Kroger in the organic section has fruit snacks that are JUST juice concentrates. Chris doesnt mind them but they are thicker than the 'junk' roll ups out there.

There are PB crackers by lily as well that are good.

Coming back to the fact that mine are older........I think it's much easier to raise children 'from the ground up" so that they know of nothing else. Some of the stuff i've switched or tried, they dont like the taste of (organic cereals etc)

I keep at it and they more often than not make healthier choices especially since most isnt available to get ahold of..

Phasing stuff out works to a point here but my oldest boys can buy their own stuff because they work OR walk to a store to get it even if i dont buy it. My oldest boys now turning 26 and 22 woke up to the reality of life and eating healthy, so they dont eat the junk so much anymore anyway. Its the middle guys that is the hardest with the youngest being the worst, especially with outside influences.

[Jen]

nothing with HFCS enters our home. Its a matter of checking every label and for me, buying as natural and organic as possible.

[Cathie]

Kroger in the organic section has fruit snacks that are JUST juice concentrates. Chris doesnt mind them but they are thicker than the 'junk' roll ups out there.

There are PB crackers by lily as well that are good.

Coming back to the fact that mine are older........I think it's much easier to raise children 'from the ground up" so that they know of nothing else. Some of the stuff i've switched or tried, they dont like the taste of (organic cereals etc)

I keep at it and they more often than not make healthier choices especially since most isnt available to get ahold of..

Phasing stuff out works to a point here but my oldest boys can buy their own stuff because they work OR walk to a store to get it even if i dont buy it. My oldest boys now turning 26 and 22 woke up to the reality of life and eating healthy, so they dont eat the junk so much anymore anyway. Its the middle guys that is the hardest with the youngest being the worst, especially with outside influences.

That's the difficult part ... the outside influences.

I started trying to clean up the food habits about 2 years ago after I had a health issue and my kids were 5 and 7 at the time. The younger one is pretty good about his food choices. The woman at aftercare even told me the other day he was reading the ingredients on the crackers they were giving for snack and refused to eat them :lol:

It's been a little more difficult with my older guy. Even though I started at age 7, he's been a little bit of a complainer.

[Erik]

nothing with HFCS enters our home. Its a matter of checking every label and for me, buying as natural and organic as possible.

Do you check for modified oils/trans fats too?

[Jen]

Do you check for modified oils/trans fats too?
yes. everything is pretty much all natural :)

[Erik]

yes. everything is pretty much all natural :)

I had a funny reply to this, but I think I'll keep it to myself. :lol3:

[Jen]

I had a funny reply to this, but I think I'll keep it to myself. :lol3:

email it to me. :lol:

[Bernee]

I thought I saw a commercial last week about HFCS, but I only saw the last bit and I thought that it could not be a commercial promoting that stuff!

Trader Joes have some juices that are not sweetened with HFCS. I was trying to buy salad dressing once and I could not find any that were not sweetened without the stuff. I finally found one but now make my own salad dressing.

[Iron Will]

I had a funny reply to this, but I think I'll keep it to myself. :lol3:

almost everything, eh? :uhuh: :hehe:

[Erik]

almost everything, eh? :uhuh: :hehe:

Hahahahah

Jennie must have told you about my email. :lol3:

Perfect use of 'eh'

[Iron Will]

Hahahahah

Jennie must have told you about my email. :lol3:

Perfect use of 'eh'

email??? I can read you like a book... with a lot big pictures and very few words. :whistling:

[Erik]

email??? I can read you like a book... with a lot big pictures and very few words. :whistling:

:funny:

I'm laughing here.

[Iron Will]

:funny:

I'm laughing here.

speaking of hfcs.... i'd like 3 cokes

[Erik]

speaking of hfcs.... i'd like 3 cokes

:funny:

Best. Story. Ever.

2 diet and a sprite.

[hydrick]

here is website that has a list of some foods that DO NOT have HFCS in them.

www.highfructosehigh.com

[Karine]

Thank you so much for this!

[Sandy]

Do you guys who are conscious of HFCS do the same/watch out the same for trans fats in ingredient lists? (modified oils, etc)

Yes, I do.

I don't buy products with trans fat as a daily food item. The kids can pick one item from the grocery store for a birthday treat. It kills me, but I ignore the food labels for this purchase!

[Sandy]

Does HFCS also go by other names? Glucose-fructose maybe?

I didn't see HFCS is an ingredient on the coke cans I read at work today.

[Erik]

Does HFCS also go by other names? Glucose-fructose maybe?

Sucrose (table sugar) is a glucose/fructose disaccharide.

[Sandy]

Sucrose (table sugar) is a glucose/fructose disaccharide.

:scratch: Help Erik...do you mean that the use of any of the above sugars could be HFCS?

How is HFCS labelled in Canada? The pop I looked at today did not have HFCS on the label which makes me think that other sugar names are being used.

[Noel Clark]

:scratch: Help Erik...do you mean that the use of any of the above sugars could be HFCS?

How is HFCS labelled in Canada? The pop I looked at today did not have HFCS on the label which makes me think that other sugar names are being used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
This talks about the difference a bit.

[Noel Clark]

Didn't read anything about how Canada labels it but saw this:

International markets
In the European Union (EU), HFCS, known as isoglucose, has been subject to production quotas under the sugar regime since 1977. Production of isoglucose in the EU has been limited to 507,000 metric tons, equivalent to about 2%-3% of sugar production. Therefore, wide scale replacement of sugar has not occurred in the EU. In Japan, HFCS consumption accounts for one quarter of total sweetener consumption.[15]

[Sandy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
This talks about the difference a bit.

Thank you. That explanation helps and has me thinking that the label "glucose-fructose" means hfcs.

[Inatic]

so what are ya'll replacing regular pancake syrup with.. Pure maple syrup.. everything i saw had HFCS in it :blink: and they dont like the pure stuff.

They will, reluctantly eat/use the walden farms but that is swtned with splenda. :sad:

[Inatic]

I havent won the battle but the seeds are planted and germinating :D

My 16yo came home from school and said: Mom, i got choc milk at school with lunch.. Guess what HFCS is like the 2nd ingredient.

He then preceeds to say that some of the meals they cook at school arent healthy so they (school nutrition peeps) are changing the way they prep things... So now, their beloved fries are now baked... :clap:

Still looking for pancake syr options

[Noel Clark]

I haven't looked at the pancake syrup..but there is a sub for everything (at least that is what I have found) Jennie probably has an idea for you.

Here is another funny story:

Scott took the girls saturday to see their cousin. He stopped to get gas and they all got a drink and Jamison asked scott if she could get this pack of crackers and scott said sure. So they are standing in line and Jamison says (in her loud 4 year old voice) Dad, but does it have HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in it? Scott said the girl behind him was :shock: and said "that is awesome"

:clap:

[Jen]

100% Pure Maple Syrup :)

[Jen]

I haven't looked at the pancake syrup..but there is a sub for everything (at least that is what I have found) Jennie probably has an idea for you.

Here is another funny story:

Scott took the girls saturday to see their cousin. He stopped to get gas and they all got a drink and Jamison asked scott if she could get this pack of crackers and scott said sure. So they are standing in line and Jamison says (in her loud 4 year old voice) Dad, but does it have HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in it? Scott said the girl behind him was :shock: and said "that is awesome"

:clap:
:lol: that is awesome!!!!!! :thumb:

[Inatic]

100% Pure Maple Syrup :)

Thanks!

Knew that was coming. they dont like it :dope:

I might have to start mixing it into the HFCS stuff and wean them off.

[Noel Clark]

100% Pure Maple Syrup :)

I think she said they don't like that

[Jen]

I missed that Noel. Thanks :)

Ileen have your tried Agave nectar? they may enjoy that. It actually has a low GI. I use it in a lot of things. milder than honey and maple syrup

[Inatic]

I'll look for it and try it...The pancake syrup tends to be thicker than maple syrup i think.. Is there a really thick one? I could try adding some xanthum gum to it?


the older boys can be rather picky and stubborn :dry:

[Jen]

I'll look for it and try it...


the older boys can be rather picky and stubborn :dry:
Kroger health and organic food section has it.

[Cathie]

I'll look for it and try it...The pancake syrup tends to be thicker than maple syrup i think.. Is there a really thick one? I could try adding some xanthum gum to it?


the older boys can be rather picky and stubborn :dry:

Yes, the crappy syrup is thicker. My older guy complained about it too. I just told him "tough, that's all your getting":lol:

[Inatic]

other than adding xanthum gum, if i can find this, it might be the answer to runny syrup.

http://www.shadymaple.ca/en/nouveautes/

[Noel Clark]

other than adding xanthum gum, if i can find this, it might be the answer to runny syrup.

http://www.shadymaple.ca/en/nouveautes/

I think that they had this at Harry's...and it was a gagillion dollars :lol:

[Sandy]

Agave nectar is thicker than maple syrup.

We use it to sweet plain yogourt and oats. Tasty!

[Noel Clark]

Agave nectar is thicker than maple syrup.

We use it to sweet plain yogourt and oats. Tasty!

Ileen--Harry's has this too :)

[Inatic]

There is a kroger right outside my subdivison in three directions, should be able to find it. I'd like to try the really thick syrup too.


found this: There have it at many nearby (ga) locations.. Might try it.

http://www.zevia.com/products_information.html Curious if nothing else :D