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Chelonian
06-01-2006, 07:57 PM
Hi All,

I know that most people here are advocates of heavy weights and less reps, than light weights and high reps. I'm wondering if it truly makes a difference in fat loss goals.

I'm working out from home, and I'm limited with the amount of weight I can lift, because I don't have enough weights. I've noticed that my strength/workouts have come to a standstill. I'm wondering if I purchase more weights, and lift heavier will I make better improvements. :train:

Jypsie
06-01-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Chelonian@Jun 1 2006, 02:57 PM
Hi All,

I know that most people here are advocates of heavy weights and less reps, than light weights and high reps. I'm wondering if it truly makes a difference in fat loss goals.

I'm working out from home, and I'm limited with the amount of weight I can lift, because I don't have enough weights. I've noticed that my strength/workouts have come to a standstill. I'm wondering if I purchase more weights, and lift heavier will I make better improvements. :train:
Yes.

mybell
06-01-2006, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Chelonian@Jun 1 2006, 02:57 PM
Hi All,

I know that most people here are advocates of heavy weights and less reps, than light weights and high reps. I'm wondering if it truly makes a difference in fat loss goals.

I'm working out from home, and I'm limited with the amount of weight I can lift, because I don't have enough weights. I've noticed that my strength/workouts have come to a standstill. I'm wondering if I purchase more weights, and lift heavier will I make better improvements. :train:
That was exactly me a year ago. Working out at home, and no changes at all. I joined a gym and the changes in the last year, since I started lifting heavy have been great.

Lift heavy, you need to keep challenging your body.

PowerManDL
06-01-2006, 08:38 PM
For fat loss, I wouldn't be trying to push PRs anyway. Maintaining on a calorie deficit is the best bet.

Get 2-3 sessions per part, 1-2 sets of 5 on 2-3 big compounds, maybe some very low volume bodypart work, and call it a day.

Pinky
06-01-2006, 08:43 PM
1 pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories; 1 pound of fat burns 3 calories

Therefore, the more muscle you have the more calories you burn. You will not build muscle unless you lift heavier weights.

Rafferty
06-01-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Pinky@Jun 1 2006, 03:43 PM
1 pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories; 1 pound of fat burns 3 calories

Therefore, the more muscle you have the more calories you burn. You will not build muscle unless you lift heavier weights.
Recent studies indicate that this is incorrect, that muscle burns around 6-10 calories/lb. I'll see if I can dig up a reference.

PowerManDL
06-01-2006, 08:49 PM
What the hell are you doing here?

And yes, he's technically right...there's not much difference between resting calorie expenditures between fat and muscle.

Muscle comes in handy because it burns calories like mad during activity.

Rafferty
06-01-2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 03:49 PM
What the hell are you doing here?

And yes, he's technically right...there's not much difference between resting calorie expenditures between fat and muscle.

Muscle comes in handy because it burns calories like mad during activity.
Just checkin' things out. Reserved for O2 refugees only? ;)

PowerManDL
06-01-2006, 08:51 PM
Hell naw. I'm glad to have some BR company around.

Rafferty
06-01-2006, 08:52 PM
Enjoying your 5x5 stuff, BTW.

Rafferty
06-01-2006, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 03:51 PM
Hell naw. I'm glad to have some BR company around.
I was a little surprised when I saw how active you were at O2, and here.

Leah
06-01-2006, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Rafferty@Jun 1 2006, 04:53 PM
I was a little surprised when I saw how active you were at O2, and here.
Don't tell anyone, cause you'll ruin his rep as a badass but, we *heart* matt here

Hoochiemomma
06-01-2006, 08:58 PM
I think he likes hangin' out with the chicks :lol:

and occasionally calling us dumbasses.

Rafferty
06-01-2006, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 03:58 PM
Don't tell anyone, cause you'll ruin his rep as a badass but, we *heart* matt here
The bigger the badass they act like, the bigger the teddy bear they really are. :p

Matt's cool.

smuggie
06-01-2006, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Pinky@Jun 1 2006, 04:43 PM
1 pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories; 1 pound of fat burns 3 calories

According to info Thunder posted on O2:

Adipose 4.5 kcal/kg/day
Muscle 13 kcal/kg/day

Birdie
06-01-2006, 10:20 PM
Fer real, huh? I totally bought into the 50 calories burned by each pound of muscle too. Boy, another myth shattered. :sad:

Chelonian
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by mybell+Jun 1 2006, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mybell @ Jun 1 2006, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Chelonian@Jun 1 2006, 02:57 PM
Hi All,

I know that most people here are advocates of heavy weights and less reps, than light weights and high reps. I&#39;m wondering if it truly makes a difference in fat loss goals.

I&#39;m working out from home, and I&#39;m limited with the amount of weight I can lift, because I don&#39;t have enough weights. I&#39;ve noticed that my strength/workouts have come to a standstill. I&#39;m wondering if I purchase more weights, and lift heavier will I make better improvements. :train:
That was exactly me a year ago. Working out at home, and no changes at all. I joined a gym and the changes in the last year, since I started lifting heavy have been great.

Lift heavy, you need to keep challenging your body. [/b][/quote]
Unfortunately, the gym is not an option ...I live too far away. I have an adjustable weight bench and some free weights that total around 50lbs. No squat rack, though. So I&#39;ll need to get more weights. What about a squat rack? Is that a necessary piece of equipment?

ashleyk
06-02-2006, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Chelonian@Jun 1 2006, 05:43 PM
What about a squat rack? Is that a necessary piece of equipment?
Yes.

Olympic bar, rack and bench are about all you need for a great home gym. (IMO)

janey
06-02-2006, 01:06 AM
I would love to have my own squat rack&#33; Although, I kind of do. Nobody at the lady gym uses it but me. :love:

Chelonian
06-02-2006, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by janey@Jun 1 2006, 08:06 PM
I would love to have my own squat rack&#33; Although, I kind of do. Nobody at the lady gym uses it but me. :love:
Janey is my name too&#33; :wave:

smuggie
06-02-2006, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by janey@Jun 1 2006, 09:06 PM
I would love to have my own squat rack&#33; Although, I kind of do. Nobody at the lady gym uses it but me. :love:
I&#39;d say you&#39;re already the proud owner of a rack. :p

ladybug
06-02-2006, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by smuggie@Jun 2 2006, 03:13 AM
I&#39;d say you&#39;re already the proud owner of a rack. :p
:lol: :lol:

you crack me up, smugs&#33;

Pinky
06-02-2006, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by smuggie+Jun 1 2006, 03:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smuggie @ Jun 1 2006, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pinky@Jun 1 2006, 04:43 PM
1 pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories; 1 pound of fat burns 3 calories

According to info Thunder posted on O2:

Adipose 4.5 kcal/kg/day
Muscle 13 kcal/kg/day [/b][/quote]
See, I figured that wasn&#39;t right. Sounded too good to be true. Either way, I&#39;ll take the muscle, it still burns more calories.....

mark
06-02-2006, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Rafferty+Jun 1 2006, 01:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rafferty @ Jun 1 2006, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pinky@Jun 1 2006, 03:43 PM
1 pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories; 1 pound of fat burns 3 calories

Therefore, the more muscle you have the more calories you burn. You will not build muscle unless you lift heavier weights.
Recent studies indicate that this is incorrect, that muscle burns around 6-10 calories/lb. I&#39;ll see if I can dig up a reference. [/b][/quote]
That would be cool if you could find that reference. I&#39;d read that before, also, but couldn&#39;t remember where I saw it. My GM often uses that 50 cal thing when selling PT to people, and I cringe every time he says it because I know it&#39;s not accurate. Especially when he outlines how they can burn an extra 500 calories a day doing nothing just by replacing 10lbs of fat with 10lbs of muscle. Really? 500 calories? So that means that a smallish guy with 150lbs of LBM would be burning 7500 calories a day?

Erik
06-02-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by mark+Jun 2 2006, 10:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mark @ Jun 2 2006, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Rafferty@Jun 1 2006, 01:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Pinky@Jun 1 2006, 03:43 PM
1 pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories; 1 pound of fat burns 3 calories

Therefore, the more muscle you have the more calories you burn. You will not build muscle unless you lift heavier weights.
Recent studies indicate that this is incorrect, that muscle burns around 6-10 calories/lb. I&#39;ll see if I can dig up a reference.
That would be cool if you could find that reference. I&#39;d read that before, also, but couldn&#39;t remember where I saw it. My GM often uses that 50 cal thing when selling PT to people, and I cringe every time he says it because I know it&#39;s not accurate. Especially when he outlines how they can burn an extra 500 calories a day doing nothing just by replacing 10lbs of fat with 10lbs of muscle. Really? 500 calories? So that means that a smallish guy with 150lbs of LBM would be burning 7500 calories a day? [/b][/quote]
Dissecting the Energy Needs of the Body
- Steven A. McClave and Harvey L. Snider

mark
06-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:53 AM

Dissecting the Energy Needs of the Body
- Steven A. McClave and Harvey L. Snider
Excellent. Now, if I could just find a link to the actual article. Interestingly enough, the top google searches come up to an article written by Lyle where he referenced the study. lol

Erik
06-02-2006, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by mark+Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mark @ Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:53 AM

Dissecting the Energy Needs of the Body
- Steven A. McClave and Harvey L. Snider
Excellent. Now, if I could just find a link to the actual article. Interestingly enough, the top google searches come up to an article written by Lyle where he referenced the study. lol [/b][/quote]
He&#39;s the one who gave the paper to me.

mark
06-02-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 2 2006, 08:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 2 2006, 08:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by mark@Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:53 AM

Dissecting the Energy Needs of the Body
- Steven A. McClave and Harvey L. Snider
Excellent. Now, if I could just find a link to the actual article. Interestingly enough, the top google searches come up to an article written by Lyle where he referenced the study. lol
He&#39;s the one who gave the paper to me. [/b][/quote]
So, are you going to share, or are you going to gloat? :lol:

Erik
06-02-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by mark+Jun 2 2006, 11:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mark @ Jun 2 2006, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by mark@Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:53 AM

Dissecting the Energy Needs of the Body
- Steven A. McClave and Harvey L. Snider
Excellent. Now, if I could just find a link to the actual article. Interestingly enough, the top google searches come up to an article written by Lyle where he referenced the study. lol
He&#39;s the one who gave the paper to me.
So, are you going to share, or are you going to gloat? :lol: [/b][/quote]
The pages are scanned; hard to read unless you can blow it up.

PM me your email and I&#39;ll fire it off to you.

mark
06-02-2006, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 2 2006, 08:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 2 2006, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by mark@Jun 2 2006, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by mark@Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:53 AM

Dissecting the Energy Needs of the Body
- Steven A. McClave and Harvey L. Snider
Excellent. Now, if I could just find a link to the actual article. Interestingly enough, the top google searches come up to an article written by Lyle where he referenced the study. lol
He&#39;s the one who gave the paper to me.
So, are you going to share, or are you going to gloat? :lol:
The pages are scanned; hard to read unless you can blow it up.

PM me your email and I&#39;ll fire it off to you. [/b][/quote]
Done, thanks&#33; I should be able to blow it up in my graphics program, I think.

Erik
06-02-2006, 03:31 PM
Email sent.

glittergal
06-02-2006, 03:46 PM
I was interested in the actual citation, too. I found the abstract:
http://www.co-clinicalnutrition.com/pt/re/...#33;8091&#33;-1 (http://www.co-clinicalnutrition.com/pt/re/conutrition/abstract.00075197-200103000-00011.htm;jsessionid=GQcSBYMnB1G2JpntzvG8mXmNZ1msq K7ksyNH2jSGVC1bj2fBR8xV&#33;1318151080&#33;-949856144&#33;8091&#33;-1)

But I am not a subscriber, so I don&#39;t have access to the full text. GRRR&#33;

jaleena
06-02-2006, 04:17 PM
I&#39;ve read that it&#39;s the muscle protein that burns 50cal/day/g. Which seems reasonably in line with the numbers cited here, as muscle is much more non-protein than protein.

janey
06-02-2006, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Chelonian@Jun 1 2006, 09:57 PM
Janey is my name too&#33; :wave:
REALLY?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;

I&#39;ve only met one other Janey once in my life&#33;&#33;&#33; Not that I&#39;ve met you but it&#39;s strange to me. :oops:

Erik
06-02-2006, 05:50 PM
It&#39;s my middle name.

janey
06-02-2006, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 12:50 PM
It&#39;s my middle name.
:funny:

Chelonian
06-03-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by janey@Jun 2 2006, 12:49 PM
REALLY?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;

I&#39;ve only met one other Janey once in my life&#33;&#33;&#33; Not that I&#39;ve met you but it&#39;s strange to me. :oops:
Janey&#39;s not a common name, but there&#39;s another girl in my community with the same name as well. On this board alone, we suddenly have three. :laugh:

strongchick
06-03-2006, 05:08 PM
Erik, could you email me that as well? I&#39;ve had the reference for awhile, but not the article.