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RiemmyGirl

06-02-2006, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 07:28 PM
Yeah, and?

But food will always be there, and there are times when foods like that is allowed. My question is why can't a person wait until a designated time as opposed to just caving in.
I think it has to do with will power & emotional reasons. I feel personally that I have the will power and due to my results and motivation I will not cave. In the past I would cave if the results were not there . I do believe there is too much emphasis on food for comfort and entertainment. At work people meet over lunch, celebrations are planned around food, when a person had a bad day they reach for the tub of ice cream. Once the food for fuel mindset is changed than it is less of a challenge but when you grow up with the food for happiness mindset during the transition you have the ability to cave. How do you change the mindset?

andi

06-02-2006, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-rippedmommy@Jun 1 2006, 10:40 PM
I thought of another one...no variety.
Eating the same things the same way gets old.
Lack of creativity.
See, that doesn't bother me.

I eat for a purpose though, since I'm always training for something. I save the 'good, creative, whatever meals' for cheats. I don't need every day to be a day of gourmet eating. [/b][/quote]
oh, that's another one of my reasons! I love to bake and cook crazy elaborate meals and sometimes if I'm doing that I say F my chicken and whatever. of course I normally regret it but.....

rasberryco

06-02-2006, 02:54 AM

For me--I don't crave anything anymore and when I have a small cheat it's not satisfying, I don't get excited about anything other than my regular meals and it's bland tasteless stuff that I eat now, I don't need variety anymore. I just have trouble taking the time to prep, cooking chix as I read --- :banana:

Kathryn

06-02-2006, 02:59 AM

before it was because I was undereating...or lack of will power if it's staring right at me..

but I've been good for the past month..no cheats what-so-ever and don't even really care for them to tell you the truth.

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
Emotional reasons, trying to deny feelings and cover it with food. When I was depressed it was the only thing that made me feel good. But only as I was eating, that of course didn't last long because as soon as I was done I would feel gross and guilty, and more depressed, which lead to more eating.

It's very hard to explain emotional eating to people who don't have a connection to food like that.

Sometimes food seems to give me a high. I would eat in secret, to keep it all to myself. It's a very sad thing.

I think part of it was that as a child I was denied food. Food was bad, it made you fat = fat = bad = me bad. My mom was very strick with weighing me and my sister and punishing us for gaining weight as children by taking away food or by charging us money for the weight we gained.

I never really got very overweight or an ED. but I do believe at one time I exercised obsessively to "get rid" of the food I had just eaten.

I thank god almost every day that I got away from all of this. And got healthy. I now think logically about food and what it does for my body.

But I know if I'm stressed or emotional or feeling overwhelmed the urge to eat comes back full force. I just think it through now, or bitch about my cravings to my girlfriends. :)

probably TMI...

Fet

06-02-2006, 03:04 AM

The biggest hurdle for me is when I'm not prepared. I take 4 of my 6 meals to work in a cooler, and I NEVER have the urge to skip one and head to the cafeteria for sweets. But when I get home, if I have to think for even a millisecond what I'm going to have for dinner, I'm toast. I need to know exactly what I'm going to have before I even leave work. I have a diet spreadsheet at work, and I fill in dinner and snack#3 before I go home, so I've already made that commitment to myself, electronically at least.

What helps is doing lots of research to find substitutes and clean recipes, so I never get bored.

I, too, lose my appetite when stressed. Hence losing 20lbs in 2 months during my divorce.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:05 AM

Emotional reasons, trying to deny feelings and cover it with food. When I was depressed it was the only thing that made me feel good. But only as I was eating, that of course didn't last long because as soon as I was done I would feel gross and guilty,

I understand up to here ...

Exactly. It never makes things better and always makes the person feel even worse than before. Hence my not quite understanding why such a behaviour continues. Then again, emotions aren't logical.

and more depressed, which lead to more eating.

Now THIS, makes no sense to me after reading your first point above. If eating makes you feel worse, gross and guilty ... why do those feelings make you eat more? :confused:

sparkygirl

06-02-2006, 03:10 AM

for me i think it is rest, i need to be very rested so I can plan and prepare, if i don't prepare and plan... when i am hungry i will just eat what is available.

But I do have a VERY BIG issue with coke, i just crave very bad :( and that i have no idea why it is so hard for me. :oops:

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 10:05 PM

Emotional reasons,* trying to deny feelings and cover it with food.* When I was depressed it was the only thing that made me feel good.* But only as I was eating, that of course didn't last long because as soon as I was done I would feel gross and guilty,

I understand up to here ...

Exactly. It never makes things better and always makes the person feel even worse than before. Hence my not quite understanding why such a behaviour continues. Then again, emotions aren't logical.

and more depressed, which lead to more eating.

Now THIS, makes no sense to me after reading your first point above. If eating makes you feel worse, gross and guilty ... why do those feelings make you eat more? :confused:
Thunder, I asked myself those questions all the time. I really don't have a logical answer. I wish I did, I might make a million $$.

Maybe part of it is the security of the food. It's something you know, not eating and dealing with the feelings of guilt, depression etc. would be too difficult, and probably a bit of well I've gone this far why not keep going, I'm already fat, ugly etc. Just give up hope of changing.

It's a crazy thing, I know it really doesn't make sense.

And food tastes good too. I love food, good food.

smuggie

06-02-2006, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Chelonian+Jun 1 2006, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelonian @ Jun 1 2006, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-smuggie@Jun 1 2006, 09:31 PM
I have no more issues with food.

My eating is under control.
Thats wonderful! :woohoo:

Just curious, how you came to this point in your life if its not too personal?[/b][/quote]
I got fat at one point. My eating was out of control because of depression.

Once I decided I wasn't going to be fat anymore, I reigned myself in and lost the weight.

When I worked with Thunder a few years ago I pretty much kept my diet on the same track he put me on once I had lost those last few pounds.

I still allow myself sweet treats, but I'm in control now. I can keep goodies in the house and not feel compelled to eat them just because they're there. I have designated times for them and I stick with the plan.

I also track everything I eat, so even though I do allow myself sweets my caloric totals are still in check when on maintenance or now that I'm bulking.

Other than sweets, I eat no junk food, nor do I have a craving for it. Food is fuel now.

Leah

06-02-2006, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 11:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 11:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:05 PM

Emotional reasons, trying to deny feelings and cover it with food. When I was depressed it was the only thing that made me feel good. But only as I was eating, that of course didn't last long because as soon as I was done I would feel gross and guilty,

I understand up to here ...

Exactly. It never makes things better and always makes the person feel even worse than before. Hence my not quite understanding why such a behaviour continues. Then again, emotions aren't logical.

and more depressed, which lead to more eating.

Now THIS, makes no sense to me after reading your first point above. If eating makes you feel worse, gross and guilty ... why do those feelings make you eat more? :confused:
because at that point you feel so bad about yourself you just don't care
Which makes you feel worse .... :blink: [/b][/quote]
Yes...but you don't think about that while you're eating

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 11:13 PM
I don't have any problems sticking to a diet.

Though I also do have the advantage of having a pretty damn high maintenance level (~3000 cals), so if I want to partake of some "bad" stuff, I can without doing much damage.

This gives me a little more leeway in what I can eat, and how much, so cravings aren't so much of an issue. I still get them, don't give me wrong....but I'm never one to let things like that beat me.
Sounds similar to me.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 11:20 PM
Yes...but you don't think about that while you're eating
Then how did you come up with the idea you feel so bad? 'Cause you just thought it.

It's honestly quite irrational, no?

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 09:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 11:13 PM
I don't have any problems sticking to a diet.

Though I also do have the advantage of having a pretty damn high maintenance level (~3000 cals), so if I want to partake of some "bad" stuff, I can without doing much damage.

This gives me a little more leeway in what I can eat, and how much, so cravings aren't so much of an issue. I still get them, don't give me wrong....but I'm never one to let things like that beat me.
Sounds similar to me. [/b][/quote]
Hmm...geee...wonder why that is...?? Oh RIGHT, it's cuz you guys are dudes! Men don't have the same emotional attachments to food that women have.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:23 PM
Hmm...geee...wonder why that is...?? Oh RIGHT, it's cuz you guys are dudes! Men don't have the same emotional attachments to food that women have.
So being a female = being owned by food? :lol:

NooHoo

06-02-2006, 03:24 AM

I'm not gonna answer b/c I don't wanna get lectured. :ban:

:lol:

Leah

06-02-2006, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:21 PM
Then how did you come up with the idea you feel so bad? 'Cause you just thought it.

It's honestly quite irrational, no?
you feel bad after you eat it....then you think you suck...then since you suck who frigging cares if you eat danishes, you're a fat ass anyway, w/ no willpower and discipline :yell: so then ya eat the damn danish and maybe something else and you don't think about how much you suck.....until you go pee and look at yourself in the full length mirror, and then you know you suck and you feel bad. Get it?

Of course it's irrational :blink: It's emotional eating. Relate it to getting drunk when you're stressed...or spending money when you're screwed in the head about something...you don't like it and you know you don't want to do it, and you know you'll feel like crap after...but it's hard to not to when you're in that mindset.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:27 AM

That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 10:21 PM
Then how did you come up with the idea you feel so bad? 'Cause you just thought it.

It's honestly quite irrational, no?
Yes it is.

Leah

06-02-2006, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:27 PM
That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...
As is everything. Emotions tend to get the better of you sometimes unfortunately

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:24 PM
So being a female = being owned by food? :lol:
No, not necessarily, because I can control those feelings for the most part, but there are some days when my emotions just over rule all logic. Leah has said it best thus far about feeling like crap about yourself, and that happens out of being over-emotional, which comes with hormones, ie estrogen, which we have an abundance of and you don't.

Just because you personally don't understand it, doens't mean it's not a real thing. I don't understand alcoholism and I hate it, but apparently it exists, but I can't get an alcohlic to explain to me WHY it is...cuz they can explain it to death and I still won't understand it or "get" it because for me, alcohol will never control me like that.

PowerManDL

06-02-2006, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:23 PM
Men don't have the same emotional attachments to food that women have.
I agree, women act like fags.

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 10:27 PM
That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...
Yes, it is about choices. And choosing to eat and be unhealthy is a choice. Sometimes though it feels like you don't have a choice, or better, you don't know what else is out there, you don't know you can do something different. That you can suceed at it. It's hard for somepeople to find the light.

It is deffinatly a male/female thing. A lot of it has to do with hormones. Once I was helped with the depression and able to function everyday, eating healthy and thinking logically did happen. Once a month though watch out! :crying: :yell:

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Leah+Jun 1 2006, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leah @ Jun 1 2006, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:27 PM
That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...
As is everything. Emotions tend to get the better of you sometimes unfortunately [/b][/quote]
Ok, I can appreciate that. That's human nature.

But what about when 'sometimes' becomes simply too often. Then what?

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 09:33 PM
I agree, women act like fags.
Actually...I think fags are the ones acting like women....

EmilytheStrange

06-02-2006, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 07:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
This is about me, isn't it? :unsure: Just kidding. Actually, I don't have a problem sticking with a diet as long as I stay focused and I have a plan. But I've had to change my entire way of looking at food. I was socialized to equate food with comfort. As a kid, I was fed a lot of fast food, candy and treats, along with the occasional fat-laden homecooked meal. Our portions were huge and that's just how I was taught to eat. Now that I'm an adult and in control of my whole life, I've had to rewire my entire thought processes surrounding food. This didn't happen overnight...it took 28 long years. And although I love my new lifestyle, there are some times that it's still difficult to say no to the bad stuff. So I guess for me it's not a lack of motivation or will power. It's just an unlearning and relearning process. Does this make sense?

Leah

06-02-2006, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 11:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 11:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 11:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:27 PM
That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...
As is everything. Emotions tend to get the better of you sometimes unfortunately
Ok, I can appreciate that. That's human nature.

But what about when 'sometimes' becomes simply too often. Then what? [/b][/quote]
Well....at some point someone's gotta say suck it up buttercup....if you can't say it to yourself and snap out of it on your own...then someone else should say it to you...like swat you upside the head or something.....preferably someone close to you obviously.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 11:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:27 PM
That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...
As is everything. Emotions tend to get the better of you sometimes unfortunately
Ok, I can appreciate that. That's human nature.

But what about when 'sometimes' becomes simply too often. Then what? [/b][/quote]
Then you get fat.
Just as an alcholic messes up their liver.
A crack adict gets nosebleeds.
A heroin addict runs out of veins.
A gambling addict loses their house.
A cigarette addict gets lung cancer.

There are consequences, and some people have the strength to battle the emotional or physical tie they feel they have to food, while others don't, and they get fat.

PowerManDL

06-02-2006, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:37 PM
There are consequences, and some people have the strength to battle the emotional or physical tie they feel they have to food, while others don't, and they get fat.
I call those people "pussies".

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 09:38 PM
I call those people "pussies".
And well you should. So do I. Just saying it happens. Just like the pussies who become addicted to alcohol.

PowerManDL

06-02-2006, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:40 PM
Just like the pussies who become addicted to alcohol.
Addicts don't go for weeks at a time without a drink or a craving for a drink :)

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 09:40 PM
Addicts don't go for weeks at a time without a drink or a craving for a drink :)
Oh really? I beg to differ. I've lived with addicts. What the fuck is falling off the wagon?

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:42 PM
Oh really? I beg to differ. I've lived with addicts. What the fuck is falling off the wagon?
But don't addicts NEED it?

Someone who has no problem abstaining for weeks on end; emphasis on no problem, are they really an addict?

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Leah+Jun 1 2006, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leah @ Jun 1 2006, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 11:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:27 PM
That makes sense.

But it's all about choices ...
As is everything. Emotions tend to get the better of you sometimes unfortunately
Ok, I can appreciate that. That's human nature.

But what about when 'sometimes' becomes simply too often. Then what?
Well....at some point someone's gotta say suck it up buttercup....if you can't say it to yourself and snap out of it on your own...then someone else should say it to you...like swat you upside the head or something.....preferably someone close to you obviously. [/b][/quote]
I need to do that to my sister. :pimpslap:

Leah's right again. Everyone reaches their bottom eventually. I realized I didn't want to be like the rest of my family, scared the crap out of me. Now, I'm the blacksheep in the family. Eats weird foods, wakes up at 4am (family doesn't really know that part) run's way too much, and has it all because of luck.

Mandy

06-02-2006, 03:45 AM

I think, for me, it's lack of willpower. In that, I live at home still - only for a few months and it's a little argument I have with myself everytime I go to get in the fridge to get the good food that's mine tucked away in a little drawer and the rest of the fridge/freezer/pantry is stocked with other food. Because I know I can't have it, makes it all that much more tempting. Especially when it's butterscotch rice krispy treats with a chocolate butterscotch topping :lol:

If I lived by myself, I would only buy the foods I can eat so I wouldn't have those temptations.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:45 AM

I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.

absolut_blonde

06-02-2006, 03:46 AM

I am trying to clean up my diet right now and I'm actually finding it somewhat difficult because I've never actually had to watch my diet before.

I think it's partly because I don't have a huge sweet tooth or much of a taste for junky foods anyway-- I could never eat ice cream or chips again and I honestly wouldn't care. Most of my 'treats' are things like sushi, Thai food, etc. And, it's partly because I always had a fast metabolism.

But now that I actually care about my physique and I don't want to be skinnyfat anymore, I have to clean up my act a bit and it's kind of foreign to me. I've always eaten fairly well- better than your average person, for sure- but not well enough to meet my current goals.

It's getting easier, though. I get ravenous (and shaky, lightheaded, etc) if I don't eat every 3 hours or so, which is when I'll get so hungry that I'll eat whatever I can get my hands on. So planning ahead is a HUGE factor for me.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Mandy@Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
I think, for me, it's lack of willpower. In that, I live at home still - only for a few months and it's a little argument I have with myself everytime I go to get in the fridge to get the good food that's mine tucked away in a little drawer and the rest of the fridge/freezer/pantry is stocked with other food. Because I know I can't have it, makes it all that much more tempting. Especially when it's butterscotch rice krispy treats with a chocolate butterscotch topping :lol:

If I lived by myself, I would only buy the foods I can eat so I wouldn't have those temptations.
I can see that.

It would be harder if the food was right there in front of you. I find when I go too long without eating and get nutso hungry, that's when you'll be more likely to just eat whatever.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:43 PM
But don't addicts NEED it?

Someone who has no problem abstaining for weeks on end; emphasis on no problem, are they really an addict?
I'd say yes, because emotions can play a huge role in any addiction, and thus when an alcoholic is at a shitty time in their life, that is the toughest time for them to NOT drink, and it creates a cycle, just as eating loads of food creates that cycle, with different effects and consequences obviously. When an alcoholic has worked through those things, it can be easier not to drink or think they have to drink, and can go months, then one day something can slip and they go back. Even if it felt easy for a time not to drink, it comes right back. Some people are like that with food.

Leah

06-02-2006, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
Absolutely. And a lot of times it does get to be too much and you do need someone to swat you upside the head and knock some sense into you. Technically...dieting isn't that difficult.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
This is absolutely true. Some people just don't have that drive and that want for it.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator+Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
This is absolutely true. Some people just don't have that drive and that want for it. [/b][/quote]
I think that's what it comes down to.

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mandy@Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
I think, for me, it's lack of willpower.* In that, I live at home still - only for a few months and it's a little argument I have with myself everytime I go to get in the fridge to get the good food that's mine tucked away in a little drawer and the rest of the fridge/freezer/pantry is stocked with other food.* Because I know I can't have it, makes it all that much more tempting.* Especially when it's butterscotch rice krispy treats with a chocolate butterscotch topping* :lol:

If I lived by myself, I would only buy the foods I can eat so I wouldn't have those temptations.
I can see that.

It would be harder if the food was right there in front of you. I find when I go too long without eating and get nutso hungry, that's when you'll be more likely to just eat whatever. [/b][/quote]
I'm the opposite, I can handle phyiscal hunger just fine. Yeah, get grouchy etc. but I will stick to plan.

All this food talk makes me want to have ice cream... :lol: jk

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 1 2006, 09:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 1 2006, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.*

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
This is absolutely true. Some people just don't have that drive and that want for it.
I think that's what it comes down to. [/b][/quote]
It's exactly what it comes down to. If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever the heck it takes to get it. If you want it any less than that, you'll put in that much less effort towards it.

spicy~d

06-02-2006, 03:59 AM

And just think about the people like my uncle...who had a quad bypass, and still eats like shit. His last triglycerides were freakin unbelievable. His genetic predisposition is one thing, but to know that the shit food that you choose to eat everyday caused you to almost die and you still choose to eat it. Wow, that' s beyond me.

PowerManDL

06-02-2006, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:47 PM
I'd say yes, because emotions can play a huge role in any addiction, and thus when an alcoholic is at a shitty time in their life, that is the toughest time for them to NOT drink, and it creates a cycle, just as eating loads of food creates that cycle, with different effects and consequences obviously. When an alcoholic has worked through those things, it can be easier not to drink or think they have to drink, and can go months, then one day something can slip and they go back. Even if it felt easy for a time not to drink, it comes right back. Some people are like that with food.
If you're not directing this at me, then my mistake. But since it sounds like you are, I'll comment.

Neither you nor anyone else really understands my relationship with alcohol. I'm not even sure I do sometimes. It can seem like it controls me.

But given incentive to stop (as for now, while dieting), I stop. That little bender I went on wasn't (entirely) because I was feeling bad for myself. If I'd wanted, I could have gone without a drink the entire time.

Once, a few years ago, I stopped completely for about 7 months just on a dare. As in, didn't have so much as a beer. I still went out, just didn't drink.

With me, it's just so ingrained in socialization...virtually everyone I know drinks, and it's just part of that structure. You go out, with a few exceptions, you're gonna have a few, if not get outright sloshed.

So in that sense, I can say yes, I do have that working against me. But by the same token, it doesn't control me. I'm perfectly capable of saying no, even when out. Just that most of the time, I have to ask myself: what for? Am I going to look back from my deathbed and say, "damn, I'm sure glad I didn't get drunk with the guys that night"? I highly doubt it.

I wouldn't even begin to put me in the same category as a true alcoholic.

liberty

06-02-2006, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
Maybe people aren't good cooks? I read most of the posts and people keeps saying bad food tastes good. Well I think good food tastes way better. I am a wicked awesome cook (and sooo modest :lol: ) and almost everything I make tastes great and yet fits into how I want myself and my family to eat. So no it is not hard or a challenge. Sometimes I try things that "look good" made in stores or restaurants and am almost always disapointed. I have never been an emotional eater and to a certain extent like T don't really understand it. I have read the threads about people not being able to stop eating cereal once they start or heard friends talk about eating a whole container of ice cream and I truly could never imagine doing that. I would never judge anyone for doing that and understand it is way more common but I still find it hard to really understand.
C

Chelonian

06-02-2006, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by smuggie+Jun 1 2006, 10:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smuggie @ Jun 1 2006, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chelonian@Jun 1 2006, 10:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-smuggie@Jun 1 2006, 09:31 PM
I have no more issues with food.

My eating is under control.
Thats wonderful! :woohoo:

Just curious, how you came to this point in your life if its not too personal?
I got fat at one point. My eating was out of control because of depression.

Once I decided I wasn't going to be fat anymore, I reigned myself in and lost the weight.

When I worked with Thunder a few years ago I pretty much kept my diet on the same track he put me on once I had lost those last few pounds.

I still allow myself sweet treats, but I'm in control now. I can keep goodies in the house and not feel compelled to eat them just because they're there. I have designated times for them and I stick with the plan.

I also track everything I eat, so even though I do allow myself sweets my caloric totals are still in check when on maintenance or now that I'm bulking.

Other than sweets, I eat no junk food, nor do I have a craving for it. Food is fuel now. [/b][/quote]
The reason why I asked is because I am trying to figure out a better way of eating. I have way too much abdominal fat, and I know its because of my diet. I hate having it. I made a vow to myself that I would lose the fat this year, but half the year has gone by and I haven't made much progress......

Stories like yours, give me inspiration and helps remind me that I can do it and that I shouldn't slack off. Thanks for the lift! :chinup:

DeeLovely79

06-02-2006, 04:25 AM

Personally my top reasons for cheating
1) Poor planning/Lack of sutiable options/Leaving my cooler bag home
2) The mental aspect of wanting a muffin, cheesecake whatever: The more I eat clean the less my taste buds actually crave/enjoy things and it's more of an issue of my mind wanting it

For the people I'm around, food tends to serve as an espression of love so from work to church the people I'm around are constantly providing rich foods to show appreciation, to celebrate. Also there is that live to eat mentality that everyone has around me, that life ain't worth living if you can't have fried chicken or oxtails everyday and they really look forward to those meals, personally I think the excess eating is symptom of chronic bored/unsatisfaction people have with their lives.

DeeLovely79

06-02-2006, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by mybell+Jun 1 2006, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mybell @ Jun 1 2006, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
Emotional reasons, trying to deny feelings and cover it with food. When I was depressed it was the only thing that made me feel good. But only as I was eating, that of course didn't last long because as soon as I was done I would feel gross and guilty, and more depressed, which lead to more eating.

It's very hard to explain emotional eating to people who don't have a connection to food like that.

Sometimes food seems to give me a high. I would eat in secret, to keep it all to myself. It's a very sad thing.

I think part of it was that as a child I was denied food. Food was bad, it made you fat = fat = bad = me bad. My mom was very strick with weighing me and my sister and punishing us for gaining weight as children by taking away food or by charging us money for the weight we gained.

I never really got very overweight or an ED. but I do believe at one time I exercised obsessively to "get rid" of the food I had just eaten.

I thank god almost every day that I got away from all of this. And got healthy. I now think logically about food and what it does for my body.

But I know if I'm stressed or emotional or feeling overwhelmed the urge to eat comes back full force. I just think it through now, or bitch about my cravings to my girlfriends. :)

probably TMI... [/b][/quote]
I had this exact same problem due to all the crazy family issues I dealt with as a kid, I felt the need to treat myself to make me feel better/be able to cope with all the emotions I was going through but didn't have the maturity to voice. And voila I went from being 50lbs underweight (we were really poor) at the start of HS to graduating college 50lbs overweight (it's amazing that I didn't put on more weight in that span of time). It was once I started working out regularly and didn't see the weight come off that I started WW and while I changed my eating habits I had to deal with those emotional demons and find other ways to deal with my emotions (I find the Bible works the best).

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 10:00 PM
If you're not directing this at me, then my mistake. But since it sounds like you are, I'll comment.

Neither you nor anyone else really understands my relationship with alcohol. I'm not even sure I do sometimes. It can seem like it controls me.

But given incentive to stop (as for now, while dieting), I stop. That little bender I went on wasn't (entirely) because I was feeling bad for myself. If I'd wanted, I could have gone without a drink the entire time.

Once, a few years ago, I stopped completely for about 7 months just on a dare. As in, didn't have so much as a beer. I still went out, just didn't drink.

With me, it's just so ingrained in socialization...virtually everyone I know drinks, and it's just part of that structure. You go out, with a few exceptions, you're gonna have a few, if not get outright sloshed.

So in that sense, I can say yes, I do have that working against me. But by the same token, it doesn't control me. I'm perfectly capable of saying no, even when out. Just that most of the time, I have to ask myself: what for? Am I going to look back from my deathbed and say, "damn, I'm sure glad I didn't get drunk with the guys that night"? I highly doubt it.

I wouldn't even begin to put me in the same category as a true alcoholic.
Actually, I wasn't trying to direct it at you, I was trying to state that I lived with an alcoholic my entire life in my mother, and as much as I fucking hated it and wanted her to stop and didn't understand it by any means at all whatsoever with even an iode of my being, and didn't understand how she could do that to her family, she did it anyway. I never understood it, still don't, and never ever ever will understand, because she did some nasty fuckin things and said some nasty shit when drinking. My only reason for stating that, is just that; I DON'T understand it, just as Erik, you, anyone else, does not understand some peoples' relationship with food. I am only, ONLY trying to state that just because you yourself do not understand something doesn't mean it doesn't exist and doesn't mean you can 'talk' that sense into anyone. I don't understand the food thing either, but I have stopped trying to understand people's vices, because I just never will. You can't ever truly understand something if you do not harbour it I suppose.

So no Matt, I wasn't calling you out or pointing a finger at you, it was just the example I have experience with and thought might put it into perspective.

lilbear

06-02-2006, 05:40 AM

I've never not stuck to a diet. My problem has been getting started on one for one simple reason. I hate being hungry. When I diet I'm always hungry even with a mild calorie deficit and frequent feedings.

kat2002

06-02-2006, 06:49 AM

I think for alot of people that it's a bit more ambiguous because they don't realize the proper amount of food to be eating or the actual content of what they're consuming.

When I've gained weight in the past, it's not because I've let myself go and started chowing down on cookies, cake, candy, and icecream; it's always been because I've had a large sandwich instead of a small one, salads with fattening dressing, and other things that are quasi-healthy but just too much food. It's easy for me to say no to foods that have a fattening mental connection, ie: I wouldn't touch a Cinnabun with a 10 foot pole, but the learning how much I should be eating is something that's coming with time.

Vanessa

06-02-2006, 07:30 AM

I've beent thinking a lot about this...

I don't personally have any problems sticking with my plan...as long as I have a plan.

I do remember struggling a little when I wasn't organized, because I was just too vulnerable to excuses.

The body is so good at maintaning it's status quo, that it will use any and all mechanisms necessary to make you eat more, should you eat below maintainance.

So if someone is tired or stressed, they'll think "Hey, this is my body telling me I need to eat something..." Or your insticts will tell you that, no matter how you feel, you'd feel better if you ate.

But when I know how much I'm taking in, I KNOW I've had enough calories. I KNOW that there is no medical, physiological or emotional reason why I should indulge my appetite.

That is where the strength to resist the natural impulses that your body will impose upon you should you attempt to mess with homeostasis.

I've learned to expect and anticipate that my body will do anything in it's power to ensure that I do not successfully eat below maintainance. So I listen to my plan, not my impulses or instincts.

I hope that makes some kind of sense...

VanessaNicole

Carm

06-02-2006, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by DeeLovely79@Jun 1 2006, 11:25 PM
Personally my top reasons for cheating
1) Poor planning/Lack of sutiable options/Leaving my cooler bag home
2) The mental aspect of wanting a muffin, cheesecake whatever: The more I eat clean the less my taste buds actually crave/enjoy things and it's more of an issue of my mind wanting it

For the people I'm around, food tends to serve as an espression of love so from work to church the people I'm around are constantly providing rich foods to show appreciation, to celebrate. Also there is that live to eat mentality that everyone has around me, that life ain't worth living if you can't have fried chicken or oxtails everyday and they really look forward to those meals, personally I think the excess eating is symptom of chronic bored/unsatisfaction people have with their lives.
Ditto...with the exception of the oxtails!!!

Also Family and travel. It's hard cooking seperate meals....in fact, it's a pain in the butt! But, my body hurts so bad after a cheat, that I make sure that the "cheat" is something absolutely worth it, and that my next work-out is NOT legs!! Travel....My hubby and I travel quite a bit, and he is the type who makes plans about where and when we are eating next!
But, even though I enjoy an occasionsal cheat, I would say that on a weekly basis, I am 95% clean. It's a control thing, plus, I love the progress I make when I stay clean!

trueblue

06-02-2006, 08:28 AM

i had a chat with someone about this a few days ago... there can be various reasons, being told what to do and restricted by someone else can often cause rebellion, and if your even slightly off focus then this rebellion will definitely overcome good sense.

women often substitute yummy tasty food for sex or intimacy. so a single girl pining for someone is more likely to cheat than someone who is in a long established relationship. (without children) those with - will tend to eat the kiddies snacks - they can't really make them not have treats cos they are on a diet... though a friend of mines son who is 9- often requests as a treat... a white potato... :lol:

however, often when girls are just in that nice warm fuzzy safe stage of a relationship thats also where they struggle to stay on plan...

and again - girls that are single and not looking ... are usually a thousand times more focussed...

consider boredom... i.e ever pulled a sickie and stayed at home? - and checked the fridge about a thousand times...? and made a big hot dessert (or gone up the road for ice cream!) then had to devour the lot before anyone came home to see your pigginess?! hmmmm thats eating from boredom...

having said all that - I rarely see any guy having a problem with sticking to a diet... :dry: 'though if they have a problem its usually drinking... gotta have a beer with the lads - if you tell them your on a diet... what are they gonna say?

of course - I'm referring to the average Aussie bloke - who often don't understand what its like to just not drink. at all. never heard of such a concept.

just my thoughts on patterns i've seen from friends of mine.

T - we're women... complicated creatures... :)

M!ssy

06-02-2006, 09:35 AM

Its the socal aspect of eating that breaks my diet for me, going out for meals with friends. I do try to make healthy choices as much as possible.

I'm even avoiding going out right now, just so I don't eat above my cals. :(

The rest of the time when I'm at home/work, I eat 100% to plan. Nothing can tempt or stray me.

Sunshine

06-02-2006, 10:51 AM

It's mostly a personality and goals thing, IMO. If you have a concrete (measurable, achievable) goal, and an understanding of what it takes to achieve that goal, then it will be easier to stick to a "diet." There's always an "off-plan" meal to look forward to somewhere down the road, even if it's 6 weeks away. If you don't have a goal, or think it can be achieved easily or quickly, then you will have difficulty.
Then the planning/prep comes in, but if you are focused on your goal, then it's not an issue. You just do it.
My 2 cents, anyway, and what the hell do I know? :lol:

Pearly

06-02-2006, 11:38 AM

I am also tempted in social situations- Not now, during comp prep, but usually. So I just stay home.
It's easier than explaining why I am only having a diet coke anyways.

Food is such a social thing, and such a part of our society. It is a part of every major holiday, every season, and for me, most of my good memories with my family. In social situations, sometimes it's nice to feel part of the group.
That said, I don't care anymore. I don't want to be part of the group- I want to be better. I haven't cheated (other than two scheduled cheats) in 17 weeks. And I am damn proud of that.

The funny thing is, my SO is having troubles sticking to his cutting diet. He was bulking, and decided to cut a bit for summer. His diet isn't even as restrictive as mine, and the bastard still has a gram of carbs per lb almost. He is just used to having what he wants, when he wants it. He is good for 3 days or so, and then cheats. He just doesn't hold water like I do, so he still loses.
And he emotionally eats too- we had a fight the other day, and he bought a bag of Munchie mix from the work vending machine. I think it was more of a "F :censor: you" to me than a true craving; because I lectured him on accountability. :shutit:

Made me laugh anyways. :)

Strive2Define

06-02-2006, 11:54 AM

I think part of it was that as a child I was denied food. Food was bad, it made you fat = fat = bad = me bad. My mom was very strick with weighing me and my sister and punishing us for gaining weight as children by taking away food or by charging us money for the weight we gained.

I think this is horrible and definately a form of child abuse.I would venture to say most of your problems w/ food stem from this right here.

I know my triggers, therefore I know NOT to bring those things in the house but sometimes my body tends to reach out to anything carbohydrates, even if I have not ever liked this particular food in the past. The more I read, the more I am beginning to think maybe it is my leptin levels telling me, I am not eating enough which according to some on here I haven't in a long time.So,on those times when I grab a handful of cereal here and there(it can be plain shredded wheat) I feel terribly guilty.
The other times I have a tendency to want to eat is out of sheer boredom.No excuses for this.I try not to let myself ever get to this state of mind as I know it can be a disaster but in all honesty, I have never binged or cheated the way I see some here do..not even on a planned cheat meal.If we say go for ice cream..I know in my mind I must do extra cardio that week.Screwed up..probably.

Strive2Define

06-02-2006, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:43 PM
But don't addicts NEED it?

Someone who has no problem abstaining for weeks on end; emphasis on no problem, are they really an addict?
Absolutely addicts can go some time w/o partaking in whatever addictive behaviors they have but eventually that person resorts back to the behavior for whatever reasons.Just because we can't see that they are having a problem"maintaining" so to speak doesn't mean they aren't fighting some type of inner turmoil.Until you have lived with alcoholics and drug addicts, you can never know how this is.

browna2000

06-02-2006, 12:50 PM

For me it is willpower - plain and simple. Yep, plain old discipline.

And a small part lack of it is lack of creativity with the food. I only know so many ways to flavor the chicken (that I'm allowed to) during contest prep.

andi

06-02-2006, 12:50 PM

Leah put it perfectly on the guilt thing. emotions do suck! that is what I will do too, eat and feel guilty which makes me eat even more. I have realized in general recently, I eat when I feel guilty about anything in life hence emotional eating!
Do I want to have that and not have willpower? No! do you ask a depressed person if they want to be depressed? there answer is the same, no of course not.
and yes girls do blame their hormones on bad eating at times I and I totally agree with that. Yes, we should just be stronger and resist but. Correct me if I'm wrong-- but aren't there some types of 'roids that make guys want to eat the house down? b/c their hormones have been messed with? well that's house it is for me at least at that special time :dry:

Erik

06-02-2006, 12:51 PM

We need more threads like this ...

andi

06-02-2006, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:51 AM
We need more threads like this ...
Ok, now what do you want to know? :p

Angelkae

06-02-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 1 2006, 10:33 PM
I agree, women act like fags.
:ban:

strongchick

06-02-2006, 01:04 PM

This was a FANTASTIC thread.

I don't cheat, but I come from the other side... like Erik, when I'm stressed I DON'T want to eat anything. But it comes down to the same problem, in a way.

I have difficulty staying to my plan when I lose sight of my goals. Short term vs long term. If I'm feeling overly full/overly stressed, I don't want anything. Eating when stressed makes me bloated and over-full, which makes me physically and emotionally feel awful. But that means I'm NOT following my plan which ALSO makes me feel awful.

Its like a no-win, sometimes.

So, like others have said, I have to keep my eye on the goal. Micromanage my plan. Suck it up and say: this too shall pass.

When I was more in a cheating mode and wanted to stop, I was very much in line with what Erik was saying: food is food. It will always be there. The second bite tastes the same as the first. So why have more.

If you remove the emotional aspect of food, it makes it all the more easier. It is a mechanism to get you to your goal. Once you reach that goal, of course your feelings toward it can change (after all, you do want to be able to enjoy it!), but in the meantime, it helps to keep in mind that this state is TEMPORARY until your goal is reached.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 01:12 PM

Cheating on my diet is usually symptomatic of a larger issue, typically sheer laziness or loss of control in other areas of my life.

When I'm eating junk, I'm usually not doing most other things that I need to be doing: going to the gym, getting to work on time, keeping up my house, taking care of Kier, etc. When I fall off the wagon, I seriously fall off the wagon.

I even stopped watering my plants last time. You think you're doing bad... you should see my house when I'm in this state. Dishes are piled to the ceiling, there are dirty clothes on every square inch of the floor, there are 20 or so dead plants lying around, and I'm fat and hormonal. It's sad. :lol:

Periodically, I also just get fed up with having control over everything in my life. I over-manage my life to the extreme, and then I rebel against it. Mostly because I'm retarded.

andi

06-02-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 08:12 AM
Cheating on my diet is usually symptomatic of a larger issue, typically sheer laziness or loss of control in other areas of my life.

When I'm eating junk, I'm usually not doing most other things that I need to be doing: going to the gym, getting to work on time, keeping up my house, taking care of Kier, etc. When I fall off the wagon, I seriously fall off the wagon.

I even stopped watering my plants last time. You think you're doing bad... you should see my house when I'm in this state. Dishes are piled to the ceiling, there are dirty clothes on every square inch of the floor, there are 20 or so dead plants lying around, and I'm fat and hormonal. It's sad. :lol:

Periodically, I also just get fed up with having control over everything in my life. I over-manage my life to the extreme, and then I rebel against it. Mostly because I'm retarded.
wow, you are my twin. that's I feel---everything is outta control, you should see my house right now too :dry:

Tina

06-02-2006, 01:25 PM

I like food. :) And like Deelovely said there are many people around me that see food as a sign of affection. I'm also part Italian, so sometimes I get into the mentality of:
Food = Good Time. My biggest challenge is excersising self control when I'm in social settings.

The next problem I have is the hormones..it's not every month, but certain months I just want to eat everything the week before that time. I justify it but saying, "Well my hubby thinks I look hot now, so it really doesn't matter that I have these cookies, because I look good, I don't really NEED to lose more fat" and then I endulge...and then the day after I feel like crap, because I tend to be an all or nothing person.

The other problem is planning. I tend to stay on diet more when I'm at home because that's when I feel in control. When I'm out and forget my cooler, and I'm super hungry, I end up going off plan.

I think in the moment when we are about to 'cheat', we really have to ask ourselves How bad do we want it.

Erik

06-02-2006, 01:30 PM

I don't think 'liking' food is really an answer is it? Who doesn't? That's really not the issue.

Feather

06-02-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
Sticking to a well planned out diet is simple if I alienate myself from everyone else.
I grew up with fried food, white bread smuthered in butter and always a high fat dessert for meals (all homemade) and if we ate vegetables it would be corn soaked in butter and green beans cooked in bacon grease with bacon. So immediate family doesn't understand a clean diet which in turn does make it hard to be out on the limb by yourself all the time.
I have to agree with the insanity of the cycle of eating crap that Leah descibed correctly to a T, I have problems with this consistently. When your in the cycle and you know that it's just not a logical decision your making to eat crap or overeat, it still doesn't matter you just want to feel better right then (hense running to the freezer for the Ben and Jerry's) cause you can't envision beyond the next 5 minutes.
I eat when bored, anxious, stressed, etc. which is truly my own downfall because I never miss a workout no matter how crappy I feel. I know if I can ever eat correctly I will have an amazing body.

kikid419

06-02-2006, 01:38 PM

I woke this morning mad at just this situation. I have two kids and husband. I prepare all the food that I need for the week BUT also cook for what they want and need which, in turn, leads to all different foods in the house. :curse:

For me, if it isn't here, it wouldn't be eaten. So my question is, how do I go about getting the whole family to eat the same boring things that I eat????? :scratch:

That would solve the problem for me :train:

strongchick

06-02-2006, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:30 AM
I don't think 'liking' food is really an answer is it? Who doesn't? That's really not the issue.
I think for some, its a comfort issue.

Biochemically, there's something to be said for 5-HT release...

Tina

06-02-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:30 AM
I don't think 'liking' food is really an answer is it? Who doesn't? That's really not the issue.
Nope. Didn't say that was the issue.

homeschoolmom

06-02-2006, 01:47 PM

Food = comfort. When I was younger drugs and alcohol helped me deal with my baggage. I grew up, got some therapy, but still occasionally look for comfort in the wrong places(food, not drugs!!). I hate the thought that I might be passing on the food=comfort thing to my kids. :(

Erik

06-02-2006, 01:48 PM

I guess the question then is, does food actually comfort? Does it makes things better?

andi

06-02-2006, 01:55 PM

yes, don't some people have "addiction" personalities? my mom sure does. has had a lot of issues as many in my family. so I was thinking about myself, if I'm eating perfectly I seem be addicted to caffine or something, or I'll keep go shopping to the point of additction, etc....

Feather

06-02-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:48 AM
I guess the question then is, does food actually comfort? Does it makes things better?
Only till you hit the bottom of the container.

homeschoolmom

06-02-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:48 AM
I guess the question then is, does food actually comfort? Does it makes things better?
No, it just kinda seems numbs the pain for the moment so you don't have to deal with real issues. I think that's the real cruxt of the matter. Eating is a substitute for something else. Sometimes it's easier to eat than deal with the real problems.

Erik

06-02-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by homeschoolmom@Jun 2 2006, 09:57 AM
No, it just kinda seems numbs the pain for the moment so you don't have to deal with real issues. I think that's the real cruxt of the matter. Eating is a substitute for something else. Sometimes it's easier to eat than deal with the real problems.
See, that part doesn't quite make sense to me. :confused:

How eating 'numbs pain'.

I recognize that this is what a lot of emotional eaters go through though.

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:59 AM
See, that part doesn't quite make sense to me. :confused:

How eating 'numbs pain'.

I recognize that this is what a lot of emotional eaters go through though.
It is like totally focusing on something that feels good for the moment so you don't have to deal with all the other crap that your feeling.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Feather+Jun 2 2006, 10:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Feather @ Jun 2 2006, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:59 AM
See, that part doesn't quite make sense to me. :confused:

How eating 'numbs pain'.

I recognize that this is what a lot of emotional eaters go through though.
It is like totally focusing on something that feels good for the moment so you don't have to deal with all the other crap that your feeling. [/b][/quote]
But it makes you feel even worse when you're done?

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:08 PM

I have found the easiest way to explain emotional eating to a guy is to equate it to sex. When my hubby is completely freakin' strssed out he likes sex. It relaxes him and he can totally forget about all the shit that is stressing him out and focus on something that feels awesome. It is the same for women and food.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:09 PM

That connection isn't working for me. :lol:

RiemmyGirl

06-02-2006, 02:09 PM

Most of us were taught that it was o.k. to eat crap when we felt bad. How many moms gave you ice cream, candy when you got a boo boo. That food was associated with comfort and therefore makes us feel better. As adults we still feel the same but when we are done eating the choc we realize that did not help and then feel like crap.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:10 PM

So perhaps it's something ingrained in you from childhood? Long term habit?

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 2 2006, 09:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 2 2006, 09:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Feather@Jun 2 2006, 10:01 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:59 AM
See, that part doesn't quite make sense to me. :confused:

How eating 'numbs pain'.

I recognize that this is what a lot of emotional eaters go through though.
It is like totally focusing on something that feels good for the moment so you don't have to deal with all the other crap that your feeling.
But it makes you feel even worse when you're done? [/b][/quote]
Yep, and then you can deal with it all over again. It is an extremely horrible cycle.

Meadows

06-02-2006, 02:12 PM

My biggest problem is setting myself up to fail. In the past I would cut my calories down to 500 or less/day to lose weight sometimes only eating an apple or grapefruit a day and doing tons of cardio (my job was very physical as well) if I had a certain pair of jeans I wanted to fit into or a dress I needed to wear. If I gave myself that caloric limit, I never went over it. However, once I got to my "goal" weight and started to eat again I felt like I had to have all the foods I was deprived of before. Each time I did this I gained the weight back plus a little more until I got to the weight I am at now.

As I've learned more about clean eating and training from this site feeling overwhelmed and piss-poor planning have been my main issues.

I am also one of those that stops eating when stressed or sad.

homeschoolmom

06-02-2006, 02:12 PM

Think about it this way, when you have a newborn baby, the first thing you do when your infant is crying is stick a breast in the child's mouth to comfort him. Have you ever seen a parent give a child a cookie to make him "feel better" after getting a boo-boo? Maybe some people are even hard-wired to comfort themselves by eating. I dunno. All I know is that for me personally it's a temporary "high" so to speak that lets me escape my reallity for a moment or two. It temporarily makes me feel better. Does it solve the problem? Hell no. Eventually you have to deal with the crap you're are trying to escape.

Edit: I hate when I screw up my grammar!

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:10 AM
So perhaps it's something ingrained in you from childhood? Long term habit?
I think so yes. Food is an acceptable escape, drugs, alcohol, sleeping around are not.(on avarage)

RiemmyGirl

06-02-2006, 02:13 PM

In my house it was. My mom would bribe us with a candybar or dairy queen to get us to do things. I learned really fast.

Brandi

06-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Leah+Jun 1 2006, 08:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leah @ Jun 1 2006, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 11:21 PM
Then how did you come up with the idea you feel so bad? 'Cause you just thought it.

It's honestly quite irrational, no?
you feel bad after you eat it....then you think you suck...then since you suck who frigging cares if you eat danishes, you're a fat ass anyway, w/ no willpower and discipline :yell: so then ya eat the damn danish and maybe something else and you don't think about how much you suck.....until you go pee and look at yourself in the full length mirror, and then you know you suck and you feel bad. Get it?

Of course it's irrational :blink: It's emotional eating. Relate it to getting drunk when you're stressed...or spending money when you're screwed in the head about something...you don't like it and you know you don't want to do it, and you know you'll feel like crap after...but it's hard to not to when you're in that mindset. [/b][/quote]
Exactly.

RiemmyGirl

06-02-2006, 02:18 PM

GREAT THREAD :clap:

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:19 PM

I can understand that to a point, but I often think, and no offense to anyone, that people fall back on a lot of things as excuses for a lack of self control.

I mean, I remember hearing a woman tell me she was overweight because she had a baby, and she couldn't lose the weight. I asked how old her baby was; she said 8 years.

strongchick

06-02-2006, 02:19 PM

Its hard to describe, but for people with binging problems, eating actually DOES cause a temporary stupor. You literally don't feel anything.

Its very numbing.

Starving does it as well.

3KO

06-02-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:48 AM
I guess the question then is, does food actually comfort? Does it makes things better?
No...it makes things worse. You feel bad about yourself for not being able to control your eating and now you are farther away from your goal so you have to work harder! :(

Tina

06-02-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 10:10 AM
So perhaps it's something ingrained in you from childhood? Long term habit?
My dad would bring home McD's every Friday night. Everytime my grandpa would visit we'd get a chocolate bar. Everytime we went grocery shopping with my mom we got a treat. And everytime we got together with my extended family there was SO much food (Italian) so for me Food = Good Time.

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:19 AM
I can understand that to a point, but I often think, and no offense to anyone, that people fall back on a lot of things as excuses for a lack of self control.

I mean, I remember hearing a woman tell me she was overweight because she had a baby, and she couldn't lose the weight. I asked how old her baby was; she said 8 years.
Yes, I agree with the self control. In my case I get sick of the struggle and just throw in the towel and have my "if you can't beat 'em then join them" days. When everyone around you eats crap constantly it sucks.

Kara

06-02-2006, 02:23 PM

Erik, are our biweeklys making you crazy and you had to ask this question??

For me it is not an emotional thing. It is not even a hunger issue. I am always hungry and if I ate every time I was hungry, I would be eating all the time. It is the social aspect that gets me. Like a previous poster said, a way of getting together socially is by going out to dinner or drinks. I even went through a phase where I would turn things down, just so I wouldn't have to have more than 1 cheat meal per week. Having to report your cheats to someone makes it even more apparent when you aren't right on plan. I know how to make healthy choices and for the most part I do that, except for certain times during the month. The summers are filled with weddings, showers, engagement parties, barbeques, etc. and sometimes it is just not possible or acceptable to bring a cooler. The times that I struggle with this is when I have multiple functions per weekend. My mindset has definitely changed about this during the past year, since I discovered all of you. I have learned how to control myself and how to cut myself some slack sometimes. But is definitely something I struggle with during this time of year.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 02:25 PM

I can understand that to a point, but I often think, and no offense to anyone, that people fall back on a lot of things as excuses for a lack of self control.

Absolutely. I think there is obviously some kind of physiologically response that does make food feel good (some crap about opioid receptors that I'm too lazy to type out). But for me the vast majority of my food issues are caused by my decision to indulge my emotional eating, cravings, supreme laziness, etc. I choose to cheat. My body doesn't make me do it.

I mean, I remember hearing a woman tell me she was overweight because she had a baby, and she couldn't lose the weight. I asked how old her baby was; she said 8 years.

Haha I hear this a lot as what motivates a woman to finally lose weight... when someone asks her if she's pregnant again or how old her baby is, and the kid is like 5 years old or something.

dare

06-02-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator+Jun 1 2006, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ Jun 1 2006, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.*

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
This is absolutely true. Some people just don't have that drive and that want for it.
I think that's what it comes down to.
It's exactly what it comes down to. If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever the heck it takes to get it. If you want it any less than that, you'll put in that much less effort towards it.[/b][/quote]
I'm sorry, I just don't agree with this & it kinda makes me mad, as I don't think this pertains to everyone. If it were so easy as to make up your mind & go after what you really want, then EVERY fitness buff or people who wanted to lose weight or whatever, would all eat clean all the time & everyone would look great. But that's not the case.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by 3KO@Jun 2 2006, 10:20 AM
No...it makes things worse. You feel bad about yourself for not being able to control your eating and now you are farther away from your goal so you have to work harder! :(
That's my point ...

So why not recognize that and do something different? I don't understand the idea of feeling bad and choosing something that makes you feel worse.

Again, emotions rule in these situations but I think it's really important to try to change this; to talk yourself out of it logically. Stop and think for a minute and then do something else.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Tina@Jun 2 2006, 10:20 AM
My dad would bring home McD's every Friday night. Everytime my grandpa would visit we'd get a chocolate bar. Everytime we went grocery shopping with my mom we got a treat. And everytime we got together with my extended family there was SO much food (Italian) so for me Food = Good Time.
Ok, I've eaten pizza every Friday night for literally as long as I can remember. It's a very, very ingrained habit for me. I started dieting this year; I stopped that habit.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Feather@Jun 2 2006, 10:22 AM
When everyone around you eats crap constantly it sucks.
Does it though?

Brandi

06-02-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 07:19 AM
Its hard to describe, but for people with binging problems, eating actually DOES cause a temporary stupor. You literally don't feel anything.

Its very numbing.

Starving does it as well.
I went through several years with an ED and it does for sure! In the latest few binges I went through a couple months ago, I can remember feeling my heart pounding and my breathing all frenzied and just a general dreamlike haze over everything.

And I can say that the ED was because I don't have willpower, but I really don't think that is it. I'd have periods of binging, purging and then starving myself, when I was way out of control of things that held high priority in my life. And depending on the stressors related to them.

Now just the other day I was all upset and wanted a grilled cheese sandwich. (I talked myself out of it.) But it was kind of an "ah-ha" THAT is the emotional eating thing that is going to screw me over for comp prep.

Practice makes you get better at things right? So if you are clean eating and stick to your diet and pass on treats or opportunities to eat crap then I would think that is good practice. If you are cheating all the time, a bite here and there, a) they add up and b) where do you draw the line?

That was long... :oops:

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by dare@Jun 2 2006, 10:25 AM
I'm sorry, I just don't agree with this & it kinda makes me mad, as I don't think this pertains to everyone. If it were so easy as to make up your mind & go after what you really want, then EVERY fitness buff or people who wanted to lose weight or whatever, would all eat clean all the time & everyone would look great. But that's not the case.
No one said it was easy. But is anything worth striving for and achieving, easy? She's right. If it were easy, everyone would 'have it'. The point is, people expect to not have to work at it, to get it.

As the quote on my site says, results aren't guaranteed; they're earned. That applies to everything worth achieving.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:48 AM
I guess the question then is, does food actually comfort? Does it makes things better?
I think at times, yes it can. I know we all hear "don't eat with your emotions" but when you think about babies---they cry, they want food, the mother lets them feed, they are comforted by the bottle. I don't know- maybe I'm wrong the thought just went through my mind!

oops, I see that someone else has written this already.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 02:39 PM

So why not recognize that and do something different? I don't understand the idea of feeling bad and choosing something that makes you feel worse.*

It's the proverbial "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Again, emotions rule in these situations but I think it's really important to try to change this; to talk yourself out of it logically. Stop and think for a minute and then do something else.

I can only say that in these situations, I actually do try to talk myself out of it, and I somehow don't. LOL. At that moment, I decide that eating the cake is more important than being hot. It's about priorities. Cake is apparently my priority. :blink:

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:34 AM
Ok, I've eaten pizza every Friday night for literally as long as I can remember. It's a very, very ingrained habit for me. I started dieting this year; I stopped that habit.
Here's the big diffence for me. If I eat alone I eat amazing clean but this isn't an option very often. When I eat with family (amost every meal), they don't eat clean at all so I can resist for awhile (days, weeks) but when it is in your face 24, 7 you eventually break down and give in.

strongchick

06-02-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Feather@Jun 2 2006, 10:39 AM
Here's the big diffence for me. If I eat alone I eat amazing clean but this isn't an option very often. When I eat with family (amost every meal), they don't eat clean at all so I can resist for awhile (days, weeks) but when it is in your face 24, 7 you eventually break down and give in.
Well, I disagree with that. I've lived with roommies and my husband, and I've had junk food in the house.

Never indulged if I didn't plan on it.

Its a mental thing.

Part of it I believe is being SATISFIED with your current meal plan. If I LIKE what I"m eating, I won't want the other crap.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Lynny@Jun 2 2006, 10:38 AM
I think at times, yes it can. I know we all hear "don't eat with your emotions" but when you think about babies---they cry, they want food, the mother lets them feed, they are comforted by the bottle. I don't know- maybe I'm wrong the thought just went through my mind!
I think comparing this to soothing a baby's crying is a bit out of context.

If it makes things feel better, why is everyone saying it makes you feel worse?

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Feather@Jun 2 2006, 10:39 AM
Here's the big diffence for me. If I eat alone I eat amazing clean but this isn't an option very often. When I eat with family (amost every meal), they don't eat clean at all so I can resist for awhile (days, weeks) but when it is in your face 24, 7 you eventually break down and give in.
But you don't have to resist for weeks. Why not just have planned cheats? That way you have to 'resist' for just a few days at a time.

There's no guilt associated with cheating when you're supposed to. No one has to eat perfectly. I think that's part of the problem. The idea that you have to be perfect all the time and if you mess up, you're a failure.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:42 AM
I think comparing this to soothing a baby's crying is a bit out of context.

If it makes things feel better, why is everyone saying it makes you feel worse?
Well I think people feel bad then because they over-eat. Babies don't always have that option. I really haven't had trouble with over eating so I probably don't know what I'm saying- just throwing some ideas out there.

Nicole

06-02-2006, 02:44 PM

For me, I just like to eat even when I am not hungry. Habit?....maybe.

When I "cheat", it is not even that I eat crap food I will just add a few extra Tbsp of cc and pb or put some more oil on my salad. So week after week of doing that the calories sure add up.

northernstar

06-02-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Lynny@Jun 2 2006, 09:38 AM
I think at times, yes it can. I know we all hear "don't eat with your emotions" but when you think about babies---they cry, they want food, the mother lets them feed, they are comforted by the bottle. I don't know- maybe I'm wrong the thought just went through my mind!
I spoke with a psychiatrist who believes this is the root of emotional eating. Food has a sedative effect. You're upset - you eat - you're sedated. You don't feel anything. Why would you stop doing something that takes away stress or pain? For a long time, food was my only coping skill. I just couldn't giving it up because if I was dieting and became stressed out, I couldn't deal. I could not deal or confront anything in my life. I just ate all my problems away. Sometimes I still feel like this, and it ultimately leads to bingeing. But I'm learning coping skills and dealing with my problems instead of turning to food for protection and comfort.
Some people might say that sounds a bit like alcoholism.

strongchick

06-02-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 10:43 AM
But you don't have to resist for weeks. Why not just have planned cheats? That way you have to 'resist' for just a few days at a time.

There's no guilt associated with cheating when you're supposed to. No one has to eat perfectly. I think that's part of the problem. The idea that you have to be perfect all the time and if you mess up, you're a failure.
You hit a big one for some people...

If you are very black/white in your thinking, if you go off plan even the LITTLEST bit (a few extra almonds even), you figure you've screwed up completely, so you may as well have the entire cake that's in the fridge as well.

The trick is allowing yourself to enjoy a cheat once in awhile, scheduling them, and enjoying your plan.

If you feel deprived, you will act deprived.

Brandi

06-02-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 07:45 AM
If you feel deprived, you will act deprived.
Well said.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by northernstar@Jun 2 2006, 08:45 AM
I spoke with a psychiatrist who believes this is the root of emotional eating. Food has a sedative effect. You're upset - you eat - you're sedated. You don't feel anything. Why would you stop doing something that takes away stress or pain? For a long time, food was my only coping skill. I just couldn't giving it up because if I was dieting and became stressed out, I couldn't deal. I could not deal or confront anything in my life. I just ate all my problems away. Sometimes I still feel like this, and it ultimately leads to bingeing. But I'm learning coping skills and dealing with my problems instead of turning to food for protection and comfort.
Some people might say that sounds a bit like alcoholism.
That's great that you've taken the initiative to learn other skills. That's key, for sure. Very much like alcoholism.

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:43 AM
But you don't have to resist for weeks. Why not just have planned cheats? That way you have to 'resist' for just a few days at a time.

There's no guilt associated with cheating when you're supposed to. No one has to eat perfectly. I think that's part of the problem. The idea that you have to be perfect all the time and if you mess up, you're a failure.

I usally end up with a cheat day cause if I don't set a limit (x amount of calories then it's an all day free for all)

I struggle with that big time, once I screw it up in goes the towel and I'm off to eat crap. I push to hard for perfection and when I jump the track I'm off and running in the wrong direction.

It's stupid and I know it, I'm working on it.

strongchick

06-02-2006, 02:55 PM

And also: some people are afraid of SUCCESS.

Binging/cheating keeps them from succeeding.

Brandi

06-02-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 07:55 AM
And also: some people are afraid of SUCCESS.

Binging/cheating keeps them from succeeding.
I agree with this also.

For my own sake, I've never been figure competitor fit, and still have issues seeing myself get there. That is when cheating is most likely to occur. :censor:

Feather

06-02-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 09:40 AM
Part of it I believe is being SATISFIED with your current meal plan. If I LIKE what I"m eating, I won't want the other crap.
I agree with you here, I can't stand most "clean food" and it's a huge downfall.

Erik

06-02-2006, 02:58 PM

Why would someone be afraid of success if that's what they're trying to achieve?

Feather

06-02-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:58 AM
Why would someone be afraid of success if that's what they're trying to achieve?
When I do get to where I want to be then I don't know what to do with myself, so I start eating crap and gaining weight and the cycle starts all over again. It like a merry- go- round from hell. :lol:

Edit: and having everyone in your family tell you that you need to eat something cause they can see your bones and it's grossing them out.

Brandi

06-02-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 07:58 AM
Why would someone be afraid of success if that's what they're trying to achieve?
Fear of the unknown.

It is easier to guarantee failure by cheating on the diet then to work your ass off and fail anyway.

Completely irrational fear, but there nonetheless. :ban:

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 02:58 PM
Why would someone be afraid of success if that's what they're trying to achieve?
What do you do after you succeed? You just have to find some other goal to work toward. And for most women, we're never satisfied. It becomes an endless cycle of finding some part of our bodies to dislike and feel rotten about.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:04 PM

This thread is hopping ...

strongchick

06-02-2006, 03:05 PM

It makes sense if you think about it...

You're 25 lbs over weight. You have a goal to lose the weight. But your entire self-concept is someone as 25 lbs overweight. It is how you define yourself. It is your excuse for not getting that job/being in that relationship/failing at xyz. 'If only I was thin/fit I'd be happy/rich/successful'

Your relationships are also related to yourself as someone who is overweight. People of the opposite gender don't notice you as much. You ACT differently...less confident, lower self-esteem...this impacts your relationships with your husband/wife/friends.

So you start to lose the weight.

And all of the sudden, those excuses for 'failure' aren't there anymore. You can't blame the weight because it isn't there. Your relationships start to change...men/women look at you differently and you get more attention. Some people like that...others hate it, especially if you are used to being invisible.

Suppose you still don't have that good job/relationship even when you're thin? Well, then you can figure 'what the Hell?' Why should I bother if it isn't getting me my goal? But people don't realize those other goals are really NOT related to weight...they just blame the weight on their sense of failure. When their job still sucks/marriage still sucks, its easier for them to give up on the weight loss.

Losing weight is more than just getting rid of a few lbs. If your identity is YOU as someone who is OVERWEIGHT, losing weight means you have to CHANGE that self-definition.

And THAT can be scary and hard as Hell.

Part of sticking to your plan is visualizing yourself as the person you are becoming. NOT the person you were.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:03 AM
What do you do after you succeed? You just have to find some other goal to work toward. And for most women, we're never satisfied. It becomes an endless cycle of finding some part of our bodies to dislike and feel rotten about.
1. You enjoy your success. I did. I used to be freaking bone thin, at the same height I am now. When I got to where I was 'content', I 'enjoyed' it.

2. I don't think it's so much about being satisfied. I've looked pretty good at various times in my training career, and I've never been 'satisfied' in the sense that I don't want even more.

I guess this is a gender issue, at least in part.

3KO

06-02-2006, 03:10 PM

I don't know if anyone will ever "get it". It doesn't make any sense but people still do it. I find myself thinking about what cheat meal is going to get me through until the next one. What will really satisfy my cravings and keep me on track. My friends and family do not get this and they harass me alot for the what I "won't eat" to the point where they are starting to think I have an eating disorder. That is frustrating!!!! They tell me I'm not enjoying life. :huh:

Brandi

06-02-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by 3KO@Jun 2 2006, 08:10 AM
They tell me I'm not enjoying life. :huh:
My BF says that all the time. :yell:

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 03:11 PM

You enjoy your success. I did. I used to be freaking bone thin, at the same height I am now. When I got to where I was 'content', I 'enjoyed' it.

You can enjoy it only so much before you want something more. I would venture that any of us who spend this much time and effort on training/diet/competing/etc. are over-achievers. We're never going to be satisfied for long, and we're always going to push ourselves.

Ambition is, of course, a good thing. Being motivated to be better is a good thing. But when you recognize yourself as someone who is perpetually ambitious and who always wants to improve something, the prospect of a lifetime of dissatisfaction is daunting and somewhat tiresome.

Feather

06-02-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by 3KO@Jun 2 2006, 10:10 AM
I don't know if anyone will ever "get it". It doesn't make any sense but people still do it. I find myself thinking about what cheat meal is going to get me through until the next one. What will really satisfy my cravings and keep me on track. My friends and family do not get this and they harass me alot for the what I "won't eat" to the point where they are starting to think I have an eating disorder. That is frustrating!!!! They tell me I'm not enjoying life. :huh:
x 2

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 03:05 PM
But people don't realize those other goals are really NOT related to weight...they just blame the weight on their sense of failure. When their job still sucks/marriage still sucks, its easier for them to give up on the weight loss.

This is very true for me.

3KO

06-02-2006, 03:12 PM

I would totally agree with looking good but still wanting to achieve more. It's like a challenge to see what your body can do.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM

You can enjoy it only so much before you want something more. I would venture that any of us who spend this much time and effort on training/diet/competing/etc. are over-achievers. We're never going to be satisfied for long, and we're always going to push ourselves.

Ambition is, of course, a good thing. Being motivated to be better is a good thing. But when you recognize yourself as someone who is perpetually ambitious and who always wants to improve something, the prospect of a lifetime of dissatisfaction is daunting and somewhat tiresome.
Right. Then push for more. No point in going in the other direction is there?

Could it be also that people set unrealistic goals for themselves? How would setting small, attainable, achievable, realistic goals change that outlook? Lots of small victories can change one's mindset no?

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Brandi@Jun 2 2006, 11:11 AM
My BF says that all the time. :yell:
Because enjoying life is all about food? Now THAT is shortsighted thinking.

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:17 PM

Feather

06-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 10:14 AM
Because enjoying life is all about food? Now THAT is shortsighted thinking.
If you are raised to think that way, it is hard to break away from that mentality. Not impossible but hard to reprogram your thinking when surrounded by it all the time.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Could it be also that people set unrealistic goals for themselves? How would setting small, attainable, achievable, realistic goals change that outlook? Lots of small victories can change one's mindset no?

I think this is also related to Sarah's point that we link our physical goals with our "life" goals. We think that achieving our goal of looking a certain way means that we should have also achieved our goal of being a certain way. And it generally doesn't. So we think, "Ya know what... this dieting and exercising business is too freaking hard to keep up if I'm not even getting what I want from it."

Certainly, this should be a mindset that we change.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:18 PM

30 members reading this thread right now. :lol:

Blondell

06-02-2006, 03:18 PM

lack of self-control :sad:

plain and simple

mybell

06-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 09:55 AM
And also: some people are afraid of SUCCESS.

Binging/cheating keeps them from succeeding.
Or fear of failure. If I try I could fail, so why bother even trying.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Feather@Jun 2 2006, 11:18 AM
If you are raised to think that way, it is hard to break away from that mentality. Not impossible but hard to reprogram your thinking when surrounded by it all the time.
This would be what I would consider an excuse to be honest.

Raised to thnk that life happiness and enjoying life is about what you eat?

Brandi

06-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:18 AM
30 members reading this thread right now. :lol:
It is a good thread.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 03:18 PM
30 members reading this thread right now. :lol:
Now would be an excellent time to post nekkid pics, dude. :cool:

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by bdd814@Jun 2 2006, 11:18 AM
lack of self-control :sad:

plain and simple
Essentially true.

Erik

06-02-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:19 AM
Now would be an excellent time to post nekkid pics, dude. :cool:
I just put two up in my log ... albeit only half naked.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 03:20 PM
I just put two up in my log ... albeit only half naked.
Alright, then make it 29 members....

*runs to journal*

:lol:

curvyone

06-02-2006, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:28 PM
I'm the opposite

Stress destroys my appetite.
I wish, I would be closer to my goals if that were true for me. i am definitely an emotional eater.

Feather

06-02-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 10:19 AM
This would be what I would consider an excuse to be honest.

Raised to thnk that life happiness and enjoying life is about what you eat?
I was never encouraged to persue a career or anything that I was interested in. I was taught how to cook, clean, take care of a husband and kids and nothing else was considered inportant. If you can't cook (as in all fried food) as a woman you are basically useless.
That's how I was raised. I'm not using it as an excuse, I'm just saying it was the focus to my upbringing and I've been reprogramming my thinking for years with any knowledge I can get that is useful.

Pinky

06-02-2006, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by rippedmommy@Jun 1 2006, 08:37 PM
For me it's been a one bite issue. Just one bite of the teddy grahams I'm giving the kids or one bite of a pb&j. I have done really well with my plan for the past week, but it's those damn kids. :lol:
I thought to myself at the time that one bite is fine, but at the end of the week, those bites add up. And, for me, my cheat didn't feel like a cheat...so I cheated a bit more. Mind you this is the best I've done at eating clean ever. :clap:

I couldn't have said it better myself!

LisaBunny

06-02-2006, 03:35 PM

What a great thread. :clap:

Working as a personal trainer, I see this all the time. I hear "oh, I had a bad week, so I just ate junk". So do you feel better now? No, you feel like shit because your bloated and your mad at yourself. When I preach about a clean diet, counting calories, and scheduled cheats, I get "oh, I don't want to deprive myself". So, by eating clean your deprived? I live with my boyfriends parents, and they eat like crap. They've told Alex (my boyfriend who also eats clean) and I to "enjoy life, indulge". Why does eating junk equate to enjoying life? To me, enjoying life is feeling good, and looking good!

When I was growing up, I ate junk food. Devil dogs, oreos, cupcakes, thats all I ate. Somehow, I managed to stay under 100 pounds until senior year of highschool. I never counted calories, or even looked at the nutritional facts until I joined O2 which was October of last year! It's just something I was never taught.

This thread brings up some excellent points.

Jen

06-02-2006, 03:41 PM

Im too stubborn not to stick......... :oops: I dont understand it either. I am weird.

Carm

06-02-2006, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 10:14 AM
Because enjoying life is all about food? Now THAT is shortsighted thinking.
But, think of it this way, just because I have changed my lifestyle and way of nurishing my body doesn't mean that everyone else that I love has, will, or should. I get the lecture on "everything in moderation".from my lean, muscular hubby. I personally don't work that way. My cheats must be to planned into my schedule to keep from going overboard. I eat for fuel, not taste.

3KO

06-02-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by atherjen@Jun 2 2006, 10:41 AM
Im too stubborn not to stick......... :oops: I dont understand it either. I am weird.
That is probably why your abs look the way they do. Great Job! :clap:

Inatic

06-02-2006, 03:47 PM

interesting dialogue here. :)

I was fat and out of shape, i dont ever want to be that person again.

I guess im in the minority. I am women lol.. have a crap load of junk here at home, which i chose not to eat. We have 6 kids (my 5 boys and 1Ddil oldest is married and temp. here for the summer ) under our roof right now. Lots of opportuntity to get into stuff if i wanted to.

Like T, If im under stress, i dont want to eat. I usually force myself to.

It is probably .5% off 99.5% that i eat off plan. I cook every day, extras for me to eat, so that i never have to chose something off plan. I look forward to my free meals.

How bad do ya want it reigns true for me. Not enough to muff up all the hard work i've accomplished thus far.

Ya Gotta Wanna! :clap:

PinkGlitter86

06-02-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 10:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
I don't find it hard or challenging. At the moment, I'm happy w/the results I'm seeing. But once I'm not, then I'm cutting out the soda and ranch dressing I've been allowing myself to have. I like diet soda just as much (and water even more), and olive oil works just as well as ranch.

It's a little difficult because I'm living at home over the summer, and my parents have no problems picking something up from Wendy's, and my mom has been baking up a storm. But I either leave the house and go do something outside, or I grab some veggies or something if I'm really being tempted. And we do have plenty of healthy/clean stuff in the house, too...we don't generally eat crap, it's just that not everything is ideal. My parents are okay with that, and it's their house so I respect that. But it is sometimes hard to open the fridge and see a freshly prepared double chocolate fudge cake next to that bag of carrots.

My biggest obstacle would be lack of preparation, and it usually always gets me around midterms and finals. I put off a paper or something, add studying for a couple of tests on top of that, and all of a sudden I'm staying up until four eating out of a supersized bag of tortilla chips. That's just me being stupid and not thinking ahead. But I'm not going to let myself stress about it, and I get right back on track. Life does not revolve around food, and I'm not going to beat myself up over eating something "unclean". But I do hope that my last year of school will see me handling those weeks w/a little more preparation...that is a goal of mine.

But I don't understand people who say in one sentence "Where are my abs? Why can't I see them?!???" and then in the next line "Oh, I just can't give up my Friday and Saturday drinking!". It's at that point that you have to ask yourself which is the bigger priority...and once you make your decision, stop bitching about what you're missing out on (either the abs or the drinking).

liberty

06-02-2006, 04:18 PM

People keep mentioning babies and I had a thought..... if babies and young children naturally regulate their food ie. eat when they are hungry, stop when they are not, at what point do they stop doing this? When does it get wrapped up in emotions? When does that natural stopping mechanism get screwed up and how? I have theories but am interested in hearing from others. (also the natural regulation of calories for kids only works for food you can chew, interestingly kids bodies don't add in the liquid calories like juice-this is obviously not the same for babies)
C

Blondell

06-02-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by LisaBunny@Jun 2 2006, 11:35 AM
What a great thread. :clap:

Working as a personal trainer, I see this all the time. I hear "oh, I had a bad week, so I just ate junk". So do you feel better now? No, you feel like shit because your bloated and your mad at yourself. When I preach about a clean diet, counting calories, and scheduled cheats, I get "oh, I don't want to deprive myself". So, by eating clean your deprived? I live with my boyfriends parents, and they eat like crap. They've told Alex (my boyfriend who also eats clean) and I to "enjoy life, indulge". Why does eating junk equate to enjoying life? To me, enjoying life is feeling good, and looking good!

good post :clap:

PinkGlitter86

06-02-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by liberty@Jun 2 2006, 12:18 PM
People keep mentioning babies and I had a thought..... if babies and young children naturally regulate their food ie. eat when they are hungry, stop when they are not, at what point do they stop doing this? When does it get wrapped up in emotions? When does that natural stopping mechanism get screwed up and how? I have theories but am interested in hearing from others. (also the natural regulation of calories for kids only works for food you can chew, interestingly kids bodies don't add in the liquid calories like juice-this is obviously not the same for babies)
C
I couldn't tell you the exact point that it becomes more of a social behavior than instinctual, but it definitely starts w/the parents.

My mom had a little girl in her class who stuck her fingers down her throat to throw up after every meal (she's six). The dad is very body-conscious, and apparently is telling his kids that if they eat a lot, they'll get fat. I'm not saying that every case is this extreme, but kids pick up on when their mommy or daddy is binge eating or not eating at all.

Blondell

06-02-2006, 04:29 PM

I think it has to do w/ the way our society is. We eat when we celebrate--we eat when we mourn--we eat when we are happy and when we are sad. We equate eating to good times and bad. That is why we are always eating. Either times are going good or they are not. Both ways we eat!

janey

06-02-2006, 04:29 PM

I find clean food boring. Ya, there's spices and all that but no spice in the world is going to make my chicken/salmon/what-have-you turn into pizza.

I also have a crazy sweet tooth. I try to keep it under control with sf gum but sometimes it will get the better of me.

LUVPINK222

06-02-2006, 04:32 PM

For me, I could eat clean everyday if I lived alone and had no social life. I'm pretty good about just ignoring the cravings and sucking it up, during the week. BUT....we have a pretty crazy life where there are lots of BBQs, weddings, brithday parties, etc involved and my DH enjoys going out to bars occassionaly. THAT's when it's hard for me to stick to eating clean. Mainly becasue if I go to somone's house for dinner I would find it rude to not eat what they serve and bring my own food, same with a wedding, etc. That's my excuse :innocent:

janey

06-02-2006, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 11:32 AM
For me, I could eat clean everyday if I lived alone and had no social life.
This is me and I still can't eat clean everyday. :dry:

Cindy Day

06-02-2006, 04:45 PM

This is a terrific thread.

-not making gains (fatloss) while being faithful to plan
-Feelings of failure/hopelessness.
-Rebellion against comments/actions/looks about one's physical shape or the food their eating.
-Social FUN/Celebration
-once a bad cycle starts (beyond structured cheats/refeeds), very difficult to clean it up

I had a whole long post, but I didn't feel comfortable posting too personal of stuff on the internet and I think this is part of the problem too-- people don't share their struggles as much as they share their successes. I still can't pinpoint what makes the switch go off in my mind that gives me my control. When I'm on, I'm so very on and when I'm off, I'm so very off. I would love to understand it as well.

Pakse

06-02-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by andi+Jun 2 2006, 07:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (andi @ Jun 2 2006, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 08:12 AM
Cheating on my diet is usually symptomatic of a larger issue, typically sheer laziness or loss of control in other areas of my life.

When I'm eating junk, I'm usually not doing most other things that I need to be doing: going to the gym, getting to work on time, keeping up my house, taking care of Kier, etc. When I fall off the wagon, I seriously fall off the wagon.

I even stopped watering my plants last time. You think you're doing bad... you should see my house when I'm in this state. Dishes are piled to the ceiling, there are dirty clothes on every square inch of the floor, there are 20 or so dead plants lying around, and I'm fat and hormonal. It's sad. :lol:

Periodically, I also just get fed up with having control over everything in my life. I over-manage my life to the extreme, and then I rebel against it. Mostly because I'm retarded.
wow, you are my twin. that's I feel---everything is outta control, you should see my house right now too :dry:[/b][/quote]
This is me, too. I've learned to get my business in order, a little each day, before it gets out of hand. I have my daily meals cooked on Sunday, I wash my dishes just about every night ;) I do a load of laundry every night (and fold it as soon as its dry.) If my "business" gets out of hand it leads to missing scheduled workouts, eating poorly and dead plants.

Lack of TIME MANAGEMENT - leads me to cheat.

JK333

06-02-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Liteweight@Jun 2 2006, 12:45 PM
This is a terrific thread.

-not making gains (fatloss) while being faithful to plan
-Feelings of failure/hopelessness.
-Rebellion against comments/actions/looks about one's physical shape or the food their eating.
-Social FUN/Celebration
-once a bad cycle starts (beyond structured cheats/refeeds), very difficult to clean it up

I had a whole long post, but I didn't feel comfortable posting too personal of stuff on the internet and I think this is part of the problem too-- people don't share their struggles as much as they share their successes. I still can't pinpoint what makes the switch go off in my mind that gives me my control. When I'm on, I'm so very on and when I'm off, I'm so very off. I would love to understand it as well.
You just took all my thoughts and expressed them very well. Great post.

janey

06-02-2006, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Liteweight@Jun 2 2006, 11:45 AM
This is a terrific thread.

-not making gains (fatloss) while being faithful to plan
-Feelings of failure/hopelessness.
-Rebellion against comments/actions/looks about one's physical shape or the food their eating.
-Social FUN/Celebration
-once a bad cycle starts (beyond structured cheats/refeeds), very difficult to clean it up

Good post. I have trouble with following the plan and not seeing results either. It is really fustrating and disheartening to say the least.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 08:58 AM
Why would someone be afraid of success if that's what they're trying to achieve?
I missed a lot and haven't gotten further than this yet, but I had to throw something in (frig, I am gonna be going back all day to add stuff...lol)

Anyway, to address this one, I had my boss tell me a few months back that I was "afraid" of being in absolutely phenomenal shape(looks wise) and that there was something keeping me from getting to that point, and getting me on stage the way I want to in time. She said I could have had it by now, but something was holding me back. And when she said it, I knew exactly what it was that held that layer on top of me, and the reason I ate JUST enough calories to keep a "protective barrier" on myself, as to not look "too good". For me it's not about having no control over the food, it's about having ABSOLUTE control over the food and the way I look, so that men don't see me as a target. I know exactly what I am putting in my mouth and what it will cause to happen, so that's another reason that makes sense. There is a fear of something for some people. Mine's just a bit more in depth than "fear of the unknown". It's fear of the known for me, and the fear of re-occurance.

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 2 2006, 04:54 PM
And when she said it, I knew exactly what it was that held that layer on top of me, and the reason I ate JUST enough calories to keep a "protective barrier" on myself, as to not look "too good". For me it's not about having no control over the food, it's about having ABSOLUTE control over the food and the way I look, so that men don't see me as a target.
This is common mentality among some ED sufferers, particularly if they've been sexually abused. They rationalize that if they can keep their bodies resembling a somewhat pre-pubescent state (i.e. the no hips, no boobs, no tush look that anorexia produces), they can avoid being sexually attractive and thus avoid being sexually abused.

No point, really. Your post just reminded me of that.

Erik

06-02-2006, 04:58 PM

Very interesting responses.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 10:58 AM
This is common mentality among some ED sufferers, particularly if they've been sexually abused. They rationalize that if they can keep their bodies resembling a somewhat pre-pubescent state (i.e. the no hips, no boobs, no tush look that anorexia produces), they can avoid being sexually attractive and thus avoid being sexually abused.

No point, really. Your post just reminded me of that.
It's the exact same way with keeping a bit of fat on top. Being that I was date raped(kay I didn't want to say it flat out, but there you go) at the time I was in my BEST shape ever visually(not necessarily physically) it changed something in my brain that made me #1 get a F*** load of muscle on me, #2 still cover that up with a little fat so I looked bigger so guys wouldn't mess with me anymore.

I'm at the point in my life where I have gotten past this, and am taking the bull by the horns again, but that's my "excuse" although I friggin hate excuses just as much as Erik does.

Erik

06-02-2006, 05:05 PM

I've always liked this quote. I wish I knew who said it ...

Excuses are the death gargle of a non-achiever.

RiemmyGirl

06-02-2006, 05:06 PM

If you want it bad enough then you have to make the change. That is the only way you can attain your goal. If the goal is your focus then you do what you must to get there but if you lose focus or are not willing to sacrifice then does that mean you do not want it enough? Growing up in an unhealthy family, trauma, having children or whatever the experience may be, you have to fix the problem and move ahead or you will just keep falling behind. No excuses, they will not get you there

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 11:05 AM
I've always liked this quote. I wish I knew who said it ...

Excuses are the death gargle of a non-achiever.
Damn right. I gotta go back and find where someone said I made them mad...

magdalynaa

06-02-2006, 05:08 PM

I'm at the point in my life where I have gotten past this, and am taking the bull by the horns again, but that's my "excuse" although I friggin hate excuses just as much as Erik does.

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it. :)

Erik

06-02-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 01:08 PM

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it. :)
Very good point Val.

Recognition of flawed thinking patterns is the first step.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by dare+Jun 2 2006, 08:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dare @ Jun 2 2006, 08:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.*

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
This is absolutely true. Some people just don't have that drive and that want for it.
I think that's what it comes down to.
It's exactly what it comes down to. If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever the heck it takes to get it. If you want it any less than that, you'll put in that much less effort towards it.
I'm sorry, I just don't agree with this & it kinda makes me mad, as I don't think this pertains to everyone. If it were so easy as to make up your mind & go after what you really want, then EVERY fitness buff or people who wanted to lose weight or whatever, would all eat clean all the time & everyone would look great. But that's not the case. [/b][/quote]
Well, sorry that it makes you bad, but you're gonna have to suck it up. It's true. It's true with anything. If you want it badly enough, you'll do what it takes to get it. Yes, sometimes you will get things that you want without having to work hard; yes sometimes you will have to work your ass off to get things you don't want so much; but if it is the one thing you want, and you know you want it THAT bad, you will do what it takes me to get it. ex, an alcoholic says they want to quit drinking. If they want it bad enough, they will get the help it takes and use every strand of willpower, strength, etc. they have in their bodies to stop. They want it less than that, then the less effort they will put in and they will continue to drink. In regards to competing, if someone wants it bad enough, they are going to go to the ends of the earth NOT to eat shit that will destroy that dream. They will do whatever it takes, even if it "kills" them. As an aside, but sort of related - I want kids more than anything on Earth. I have plenty of time to have them, and plan to when I'm good and stable and ready; but if that tiome comes and, god forbid something is wrong with me physically that I "can't" have kids of my own, I'm gonna go to the ends of the earth to try everything (invitro, adoption, whatever) to have kids and I won't stop trying until I have them, or I die. It's as simple as that. No lengths are too great to getting what you want.

So again, I'm just gonna say if you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever the heck it takes to get it. If you want it any less than that, you'll put in that much less effort towards it.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:08 AM

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it. :)
Damn right, and I finally do :)

Pinky

06-02-2006, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:08 AM

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it. :)
I just realized this lately and am working on my reason for making excuses.

I can honestly feel like I am on the brink of a permanent lifestyle change. I don't want to eat like everyone else, I don't want to look like everyone else.

strongchick

06-02-2006, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Pinky+Jun 2 2006, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 2 2006, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:08 AM

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it. :)
I just realized this lately and am working on my reason for making excuses.

I can honestly feel like I am on the brink of a permanent lifestyle change. I don't want to eat like everyone else, I don't want to look like everyone else. [/b][/quote]
And that is the way to KEEP succeeding. As I said before, it comes down to a re-evaluation of your self-definition.

If you view this as temporary, it WILL be.

ShimmyPrincess

06-02-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Leah@Jun 1 2006, 07:19 PM
My problem is time/energy to grocery shop and cook :ban: When I don't have good stuff to eat when it's time to eat....I'll eat whatever cause I don't do hungry well :dry:
This is me. Not having the foods prepared ahead of time, or being out of stock of certain foods. Poor planning.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 10:32 AM
For me, I could eat clean everyday if I lived alone and had no social life. I'm pretty good about just ignoring the cravings and sucking it up, during the week. BUT....we have a pretty crazy life where there are lots of BBQs, weddings, brithday parties, etc involved and my DH enjoys going out to bars occassionaly. THAT's when it's hard for me to stick to eating clean. Mainly becasue if I go to somone's house for dinner I would find it rude to not eat what they serve and bring my own food, same with a wedding, etc. That's my excuse :innocent:
This is totally my situation too. I eat clean for the most part but usually don't when I'm out with friends. I think it's worth it though because it doesn't effect my goals and I WANT to have a social life! :)

Erik

06-02-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by ShimmyPrincess@Jun 2 2006, 01:41 PM
This is me. Not having the foods prepared ahead of time, or being out of stock of certain foods. Poor planning.
So, that one should be easily fixable.

Tina

06-02-2006, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 01:08 PM

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it. :)
Yup. Just figure out why or what you're doing and change it.

Suck it up.

I believe that if people want something bad enough, they'll get it.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by strongchick+Jun 2 2006, 11:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (strongchick @ Jun 2 2006, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Pinky@Jun 2 2006, 01:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-magdalynaa@Jun 2 2006, 11:08 AM

Ah, well, one must understand one's behavior before one can change it.* :)
I just realized this lately and am working on my reason for making excuses.

I can honestly feel like I am on the brink of a permanent lifestyle change. I don't want to eat like everyone else, I don't want to look like everyone else.
And that is the way to KEEP succeeding. As I said before, it comes down to a re-evaluation of your self-definition.

If you view this as temporary, it WILL be. [/b][/quote]
I understand this...but at the same time, we as people ARE so much more than our exterior..... To define oneself only by how fit they are is sad to me. Personally looking good is something I want, but it's not the end-all be-all. I guess for some people it is though.

bubblebooty

06-02-2006, 05:51 PM

i finally got to the end of this thread.

my cheats are wierd. i cheat when i see results. i think, wow i look good, it must be ok to have a few beers. a few beers turns into pizza and pasta and dessert. then i don't look so good. i think i am constantly trying to find a place where i can eat clean most of the time but still have a few cheats in the week.

now that i am on a comp diet, cheating is restricted to acceptable times. i've stuck to it. it was hard at first because everything i ate seemed so bland but i'm over it for now. i like the fact that i'm not jeopordizing myself anymore. and my cheats are planned way in advance so i make sure that i have what i really want so i can get it out of my system and hang on till the next cheat.

i do have trouble seeing food as fuel. it's always been about enjoyment for me. having a goal in a set amount of time (contest prep) is helping with this. i'm eating this way for a goal and i don't have to be this strict for the rest of my life. i can do 12 weeks.

i do belive that if you want it bad enough, you can make it happen.

finally, i don't eat when i am stressed emotionally (divorce is the best diet ever!). but if i'm stressed at work, nothing sounds better than a glass of wine -- eating won't do it for me.

random thoughts i wanted to share.

Erik

06-02-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Lynny@Jun 2 2006, 01:49 PM
I understand this...but at the same time, we as people ARE so much more than our exterior..... To define oneself only by how fit they are is sad to me. Personally looking good is something I want, but it's not the end-all be-all. I guess for some people it is though.
Where do you see anyone saying this?

Lynny

06-02-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 11:51 AM
Where do you see anyone saying this?
I thought SC was talking about how some peopel define themselves? maybe I read something incorrectly.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 05:54 PM

I just meant, in the same way that some people identify themselves as overweight, some people can define themselves on how fit they are.

strongchick

06-02-2006, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Lynny@Jun 2 2006, 01:54 PM
I just meant, in the same way that some people identify themselves as overweight, some people can define themselves on how fit they are.
Yes, I mentioned that. But I was speaking more of a subconscious identity. People may not consciously define themselves that way, but may on an unconscious level blame their dissatisfaction with life on their weight.

When you live 10+ years (or however long) with a certain identity, changing it can be frightening for some.

Also something to consider: friends/family can find other's successes threatening. You are an overweight woman who is losing weight. All of the sudden your husband freaks out: you are getting more attention from others. Or maybe you are not, but he is afraid you are going to leave him now...you have become 'out of his league'. So he starts to belittle you/sabatogue you. And he may not even be aware of it.

Or friends are jealous of your success, and all of the sudden everyone is offering you cookies.

In those cases, it does come down to will-power, but makes it a bit more difficult. Especially if your loved ones are making you feel bad about your success. For people with low self-esteem, sometimes it is better NOT to succeed than to risk your marriage/relationships.

Erik

06-02-2006, 05:59 PM

I'm trying to think up another 'philosophical' topic for a new thread. :lol:

strongchick

06-02-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 01:59 PM
I'm trying to think up another 'philosophical' topic for a new thread. :lol:
Coke or Pepsi

Lynny

06-02-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 11:58 AM
Yes, I mentioned that. But I was speaking more of a subconscious identity. People may not consciously define themselves that way, but may on an unconscious level blame their dissatisfaction with life on their weight.

When you live 10+ years (or however long) with a certain identity, changing it can be frightening for some.

Also something to consider: friends/family can find other's successes threatening. You are an overweight woman who is losing weight. All of the sudden your husband freaks out: you are getting more attention from others. Or maybe you are not, but he is afraid you are going to leave him now...you have become 'out of his league'. So he starts to belittle you/sabatogue you. And he may not even be aware of it.

Or friends are jealous of your success, and all of the sudden everyone is offering you cookies.

In those cases, it does come down to will-power, but makes it a bit more difficult. Especially if your loved ones are making you feel bad about your success. For people with low self-esteem, sometimes it is better NOT to succeed than to risk your marriage/relationships.
That makes sense.

Cindy Day

06-02-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator+Jun 2 2006, 01:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ Jun 2 2006, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by dare@Jun 2 2006, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:45 PM
I find myself often, ok, ocassionally, reminding people that there's a reason more people don't have very enviable physiques.

So yeah, I think after a certain point, the whole suck it up buttercup does come into play.*

Cheating every now and then? Who cares? No one's perfect and no one needs to be perfect. But there's a point where it's just too much.
This is absolutely true. Some people just don't have that drive and that want for it.
I think that's what it comes down to.
It's exactly what it comes down to. If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever the heck it takes to get it. If you want it any less than that, you'll put in that much less effort towards it.
I'm sorry, I just don't agree with this & it kinda makes me mad, as I don't think this pertains to everyone. If it were so easy as to make up your mind & go after what you really want, then EVERY fitness buff or people who wanted to lose weight or whatever, would all eat clean all the time & everyone would look great. But that's not the case.
Well, sorry that it makes you bad, but you're gonna have to suck it up. It's true. It's true with anything. If you want it badly enough, you'll do what it takes to get it. Yes, sometimes you will get things that you want without having to work hard; yes sometimes you will have to work your ass off to get things you don't want so much; but if it is the one thing you want, and you know you want it THAT bad, you will do what it takes me to get it. ex, an alcoholic says they want to quit drinking. If they want it bad enough, they will get the help it takes and use every strand of willpower, strength, etc. they have in their bodies to stop. They want it less than that, then the less effort they will put in and they will continue to drink. In regards to competing, if someone wants it bad enough, they are going to go to the ends of the earth NOT to eat shit that will destroy that dream. They will do whatever it takes, even if it "kills" them. As an aside, but sort of related - I want kids more than anything on Earth. I have plenty of time to have them, and plan to when I'm good and stable and ready; but if that tiome comes and, god forbid something is wrong with me physically that I "can't" have kids of my own, I'm gonna go to the ends of the earth to try everything (invitro, adoption, whatever) to have kids and I won't stop trying until I have them, or I die. It's as simple as that. No lengths are too great to getting what you want.

So again, I'm just gonna say if you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever the heck it takes to get it. If you want it any less than that, you'll put in that much less effort towards it. [/b][/quote]
I just want to add that I don't believe anyone said it was easy (unless I missed that).

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:03 PM

I don't think it's a matter of people consciously SAYING it's easy. It's the thought pattern of not really recognizing it's hard, or accepting that it's supposed to hard, or something.

This is sort of what my experience has told me.

LUVPINK222

06-02-2006, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Lynny@Jun 2 2006, 12:42 PM
This is totally my situation too. I eat clean for the most part but usually don't when I'm out with friends. I think it's worth it though because it doesn't effect my goals and I WANT to have a social life! :)
ME TOO! I want a social life AND I want a great body. Can't there be a balance? Life's too short, why have a perfect body if you aren't going to go out and show it off and have fun? JMO

jaleena

06-02-2006, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 02:15 AM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
Lack of motivation. If I'm doing something because I think it's kind of a good idea to do it, stuff might derail me...if I have a clear goal in sight and see my path to attaining it, stuff won't.
So...not incredibly hard, but falling off of a diet can be as easy as falling off a log if I let it. Comes down to how much I care. It's really a do or don't when I do care...but when I care much more about other things, I don't so much want my tummy on my mind as well.
So far this spring, my obstacle has been various catastrophies. Coupled with unclear motivation, it can be a powerful demotivator to have rain in your house, a truck on your car, etc, etc. I've always eaten enough protein, but often too much chocolate as well...because I just didn't care. Also, there's the fear, likely unfounded, of losing strength when in a deficit...I care lots about what's on the bar.

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 02:06 PM
ME TOO! I want a social life AND I want a great body. Can't there be a balance? Life's too short, why have a perfect body if you aren't going to go out and show it off and have fun? JMO
And why is this not possible? :blink:

Cindy Day

06-02-2006, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 02:03 PM
I don't think it's a matter of people consciously SAYING it's easy. It's the thought pattern of not really recognizing it's hard, or accepting that it's supposed to hard, or something.

This is sort of what my experience has told me.
Erik are you referring to the individual that is working toward their goal (not realizing it's hard) or the spectators seeing the individuals working toward their goals?

Cindy Day

06-02-2006, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by strongchick@Jun 2 2006, 02:00 PM
Coke or Pepsi
Coke of course. :p

(I'm in Atlanta, the home of Coke.) ;)

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Liteweight+Jun 2 2006, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Liteweight @ Jun 2 2006, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 02:03 PM
I don't think it's a matter of people consciously SAYING it's easy. It's the thought pattern of not really recognizing it's hard, or accepting that it's supposed to hard, or something.

This is sort of what my experience has told me.
Erik are you referring to the individual that is working toward their goal (not realizing it's hard) or the spectators seeing the individuals working toward their goals? [/b][/quote]
The one working towards their goals.

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Liteweight@Jun 2 2006, 02:09 PM
Coke of course. :p

(I'm in Atlanta, the home of Coke.) ;)
:ban:

Cindy Day

06-02-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 2 2006, 02:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 2 2006, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Liteweight@Jun 2 2006, 02:09 PM
Coke of course. :p

(I'm in Atlanta, the home of Coke.) ;)
:ban: [/b][/quote]
:ban: back at ya! :cheeky:

LUVPINK222

06-02-2006, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 01:07 PM
And why is this not possible? :blink:
It's not impossible, it's just hard when there are multiple functions or something going on EVERY weekend and you don't want to cheat but people give you a hard time for walking around with a diet coke or not eating what they they are serving, etc.
BUt I think that it IS possible, and that we(I) have to just learn to deal with people's crap I guess...

Inatic

06-02-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Liteweight+Jun 2 2006, 02:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Liteweight @ Jun 2 2006, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 02:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Liteweight@Jun 2 2006, 02:09 PM
Coke of course.** :p

(I'm in Atlanta, the home of Coke.)* ;)
:ban:
:ban: back at ya! :cheeky: [/b][/quote]

LOL I usually drink coke (also live in atlanta :) having switched when we lived up north.

but....

<hides diet pepsi can>

one of my kids brought home a pack of pepsi.

:ban:

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 02:13 PM
It's not impossible, it's just hard when there are multiple functions or something going on EVERY weekend and you don't want to cheat but people give you a hard time for walking around with a diet coke or not eating what they they are serving, etc.
BUt I think that it IS possible, and that we(I) have to just learn to deal with people's crap I guess...
You can't just make healthy choices? I'm going to a 30th bday party tomorrow and they're bbqing and I am dieting hard right now. I'm not bringing any of my own food, but I'm sure I'll be able to eat well there.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 06:18 PM

I always bring my own food to everything. Even if there is a BBQ going on and they only have burgers and hot dogs, I'll bring a chicken breats and throw it on the BBQ, just cuz. I'm stil participating, I just eat a little bit differently from others, and I won't apologize for that. I can still be social and eat the way I do.

Lynny

06-02-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 2 2006, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 2 2006, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 02:13 PM
It's not impossible, it's just hard when there are multiple functions or something going on EVERY weekend and you don't want to cheat but people give you a hard time for walking around with a diet coke or not eating what they they are serving, etc.
BUt I think that it IS possible, and that we(I) have to just learn to deal with people's crap I guess...
You can't just make healthy choices? I'm going to a 30th bday party tomorrow and they're bbqing and I am dieting hard right now. I'm not bringing any of my own food, but I'm sure I'll be able to eat well there. [/b][/quote]
Yes- I find myself eating well in situations like this, as well.

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 2 2006, 02:18 PM
I always bring my own food to everything. Even if there is a BBQ going on and they only have burgers and hot dogs, I'll bring a chicken breats and throw it on the BBQ, just cuz. I'm stil participating, I just eat a little bit differently from others, and I won't apologize for that. I can still be social and eat the way I do.
Agreed

LUVPINK222

06-02-2006, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 2 2006, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 2 2006, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 02:13 PM
It's not impossible, it's just hard when there are multiple functions or something going on EVERY weekend and you don't want to cheat but people give you a hard time for walking around with a diet coke or not eating what they they are serving, etc.
BUt I think that it IS possible, and that we(I) have to just learn to deal with people's crap I guess...
You can't just make healthy choices? I'm going to a 30th bday party tomorrow and they're bbqing and I am dieting hard right now. I'm not bringing any of my own food, but I'm sure I'll be able to eat well there. [/b][/quote]
I usually do ok at functions personally, I'm just saying it's hard for alot of people not to get sucked in....to temptation

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by LUVPINK222+Jun 2 2006, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LUVPINK222 @ Jun 2 2006, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 01:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-LUVPINK222@Jun 2 2006, 02:13 PM
It's not impossible, it's just hard when there are multiple functions or something going on EVERY weekend and you don't want to cheat but people give you a hard time for walking around with a diet coke or not eating what they they are serving, etc.
BUt I think that it IS possible, and that we(I) have to just learn to deal with people's crap I guess...
You can't just make healthy choices? I'm going to a 30th bday party tomorrow and they're bbqing and I am dieting hard right now. I'm not bringing any of my own food, but I'm sure I'll be able to eat well there.
I usually do ok at functions personally, I'm just saying it's hard for alot of people not to get sucked in....to temptation [/b][/quote]
Yes, no arguements there. It's definitely not always easy.

sweetpea_123

06-02-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 1 2006, 09:15 PM
... find it so hard to stick to a diet?

Is it really that challenging? Why?

Is it for emotional reasons? Lack of will power? Because it's there? Lack of drive/motivation?

What's your obstacle?
I am having a tough time right now. I have been eating really healthy for about 4 years, and lots of that time I am eating clean. It has definately worked, and I lost 150ish pounds. The last four months have been challenging for me because I have been gaining weight. I have even had my thyroid checked! I am feeling like it is hopeless, because no matter what I eat, I seem to gain. I cut back so much, I have actually felt like I was starving. It is crazy making. . . I even followed the advice of an asshat nutritionist, eating 1000 calories a day, and sweating my ass off. . . and gained 41/2 pounds in 3 weeks. Quite frankly, at four months of hell and deprivation, I still am gaining weight. . I feel like eating cake. . . honestly, its like, what the hell, nothing is working right now for now.

Sooo, I guess what I am saying is that sometimes "dieting" doesn't seem to work. It isn't the will power, or the lack of planning, it is a lack of results. I am sorry to whine, but somehow I have gained 11 pounds in the last 8 days and am significantly depressed, as I was looking so good, and my mph cycling speed has dropped a little.

You all might gasp in dismay, but I am going to bump my cardio up to 3-4 hours a day, 3 times a week; and 1-2 hours 2 times a week; and 1 day a time trial (lasting less than an hour) and full body workout 2 times a week instead of three. If this doesn't work combined with a 1500 calorie a day diet plan, I am gonna freak out big-time. :suicide:

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 06:31 PM

If all this stuff was easy, and attainable with no effort, then how could one call it an achievement in the end??

Angie

06-02-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 2 2006, 09:10 AM
So perhaps it's something ingrained in you from childhood? Long term habit?
This is oh-so true... I grew up in a family where when you got good grades it was a trip to Dunkin' Donuts, or Baskin Robbins. I remember when my grandmother died as a little girl my mom told me over chocolate chip cookies (my favorite at the time). As I child I remember my mom soothing all of my hurts, pains, losses, etc with a special treat. Now, when something sad, painful, or stressful happens I immediately want a cookie. It's like an ingrained thought.

I hope that I never do that with my kids.

PowerManDL

06-02-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 2 2006, 02:31 PM
If all this stuff was easy, and attainable with no effort, then how could one call it an achievement in the end??
I'll let you know after my next steroid cycle.

Erik

06-02-2006, 06:32 PM

Dieting doesn't NOT work. If it's not working, you need to adjust your plan. Dieting works for everyone.

northernstar

06-02-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by sweetpea_123@Jun 2 2006, 01:30 PM
You all might gasp in dismay, but I am going to bump my cardio up to 3-4 hours a day, 3 times a week; and 1-2 hours 2 times a week; and 1 day a time trial (lasting less than an hour) and full body workout 2 times a week instead of three. If this doesn't work combined with a 1500 calorie a day diet plan, I am gonna freak out big-time. :suicide:
whyyyyy.... ?

bubblebooty

06-02-2006, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@Jun 2 2006, 06:31 PM
If all this stuff was easy, and attainable with no effort, then how could one call it an achievement in the end??
so true.

Pakse

06-02-2006, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by sweetpea_123@Jun 2 2006, 12:30 PM
You all might gasp in dismay, but I am going to bump my cardio up to 3-4 hours a day, 3 times a week; and 1-2 hours 2 times a week; and 1 day a time trial (lasting less than an hour) and full body workout 2 times a week instead of three. If this doesn't work combined with a 1500 calorie a day diet plan, I am gonna freak out big-time. :suicide:
Whoa! My hard earned muscle is disappearing just reading this.

Chelsinator

06-02-2006, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Angie@Jun 2 2006, 12:32 PM
This is oh-so true... I grew up in a family where when you got good grades it was a trip to Dunkin' Donuts, or Baskin Robbins. I remember when my grandmother died as a little girl my mom told me over chocolate chip cookies (my favorite at the time). As I child I remember my mom soothing all of my hurts, pains, losses, etc with a special treat. Now, when something sad, painful, or stressful happens I immediately want a cookie. It's like an ingrained thought.

I hope that I never do that with my kids.
Just wanna say it's not an "I hope" thing. Just don't do that with your kids.

donnajo

06-02-2006, 06:36 PM

I have problems when I go to events such as a BBQ, birthday, out for a drink with friends. I want to be able to participate in these events too. Feeling that you have to be restrictive all the time sucks and I know you have cheats, but what happens around holidays and the summer when there are a lot of things going on. I find that to really be hard for me. Plus, I miss my family ethnic meals. I am Italian and I love manicotti and all those type dishes. And I love wine. And cheese . And....wait a minute I am starting to daydream. I need to get back on topic. :lol: Otherwise at home I prepare healthy clean meals. The social part is hard for me.