I NEED AN INTERVENTION: THUNDER THAT MEANS YOU

[loki]

Okay...I'll try to keep this short and sweet...
I've been in the O2 forum and haven't really gotten anywhere...
I'm hoping that Thunder ( or someone else) will lay out some sound nutrition for
me...I've been to all sorts of sites..read everything they had and though I see
that I am grossly undereating 1500 cals is high for me I am trying SOOO hard
to bring up the protein and such but what I need to know is how many calories I
should be eating at each meal, how much protein...when I should eat more/less..
Should I carb cycle....What should I eat before/after...
I'm drowing in all the TidBits of info out there!!! :(

I'm 5'5", about 135, maybe a bit more or less....
I want to lose body fat and firm up, gain definition...
I just began Thunder's 3day split, I was doing 2hrs of circut training everyday
with cardio...60-90 minutes of cardio on cardio only days...plus whatever I do for
leisure....

I know I should lay off cardio more but with Thunders program I'm still doing
30 minutes of light cardio afterwards, HIIT on 2 other days...trying to take off Sunday all together...I'm slowly learning...
Also, when's the best time to drink protein shakes?
Is in the evening okay? Shortly before bed? It's only about 200 cals...low carb..

I just need some general guidance, once I have a system set up I can build and evolve it just need to know where to start...

Thanx so much :)

[JackieRTP]

There are some great stickies at the top in the Nutrition and Training forums. That would be a great place to start reading.... :hi:

[northernstar]

You have to educate yourself and figure out your own problem. No one's going to do this for you, unless you want to pay.

[loki]

I already have paid for someone's help and it was through these forums that I found out I'd been so greatly misinformed....I am very well educated on the topic it's just that it's difficult when leaving the extreme approach to trust oneself...

I'd just like reinforcement that I'm on the right track, there are no nutritionists in my area, I've looked everywhere and the 2 women that do practice are affiliated with the hospital only and therefore you must have a doctors referal to see them....I am not at any high health risk and so I can't get a referal...I'm entering into this area myself due to the lack of knowledgable people but in the mean time I don't have many other places to look...
The last 2 books I bought didn't really answer my questions...
;)
No need to be snappy

[Sarah]

Nobody is trying to be snappy w/ you. At least not that I can tell.

Why don't you post what you've been eating, including the macros. That's a good place to start.

[Erik]

I'm a bit confused by the intial post followed up by the "I'm very well educated on this topic" comment. :confused:

[Brandi]

Originally posted by northernstar@Jun 6 2006, 06:51 AM
You have to educate yourself and figure out your own problem. No one's going to do this for you, unless you want to pay.
That doesn't mean that she can't ask questions and advice of us. :)

[northernstar]

Originally posted by Brandi@Jun 6 2006, 10:29 AM
That doesn't mean that she can't ask questions and advice of us. :)
No, no I didn't mean that at all. From her post it seemed like she was asking someone to draw her up a plan. Specifically Thunder.

[loki]

I am very well educated (IMO) because I continue to read and search out the info I"m looking for...I don't just take whatever I'm handed and believe it....but I test it out...THe program my trainer put me on didn't work and that was frusterating for me cuz it took me forever to find her....I am aware of how what I was doing was damaging my body...But the thing with having been so extreme is that it seems to shut off the whole common sense aspect in yourself, it's hard to explain but haven't we all had these 'ridiculous' beliefs contrary to knowing better??
Like the rules somehow won't apply to us?

Anyway, I don't want a program by Thunder...I repsond best to science, to facts and the other day I saw him post something on damaging metabolism and a few other things which I had never read about and haven't been able to find, I respect those who can teach me something....
I've seen people share lots of different things in here and thought someone might be able to further my understanding of undereating....So many places say different things so I'm curious what has worked for others...

I'm not trying to get anything for free...just asking for help/info...It's hard to find where I am...That's all... :)

[Erik]

Anyway, I don't want a program by Thunder...I repsond best to science, to facts and the other day I saw him post something on damaging metabolism and a few other things which I had never read about and haven't been able to find,

What exactly are you trying to say with this?

[Meadows]

I NEED AN INTERVENTION: THUNDER THAT MEANS YOU



I'm hoping that Thunder ( or someone else) will lay out some sound nutrition for
me..


I just began Thunder's 3day split


Anyway, I don't want a program by Thunder

you seem to be contradicting yourself... :confused:

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by loki@Jun 6 2006, 03:55 PM
I am very well educated (IMO) because I continue to read and search out the info I"m looking for...I don't just take whatever I'm handed and believe it....but I test it out...THe program my trainer put me on didn't work and that was frusterating for me cuz it took me forever to find her....I am aware of how what I was doing was damaging my body...But the thing with having been so extreme is that it seems to shut off the whole common sense aspect in yourself, it's hard to explain but haven't we all had these 'ridiculous' beliefs contrary to knowing better??
Like the rules somehow won't apply to us?

Anyway, I don't want a program by Thunder...I repsond best to science, to facts and the other day I saw him post something on damaging metabolism and a few other things which I had never read about and haven't been able to find, I respect those who can teach me something....
I've seen people share lots of different things in here and thought someone might be able to further my understanding of undereating....So many places say different things so I'm curious what has worked for others...

I'm not trying to get anything for free...just asking for help/info...It's hard to find where I am...That's all... :)
:finger: I've studied nutrition for years, formally and informally, and still learn new stuff from Thunder on an on going basis.

Read the stickies and create your own plan. Then post it and people will help your refine it.

[loki]

That I was looking for where that information came from...Website, whatever...
Until I came into here I'd never seen information on actually repairing metabolism...That whole subject of increasing calories to a certain maintenence point and then finding your deficit for fat loss and then going from there, I'd never heard about that...

[Lynny]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :uuhh:

[loki]

I began that split because I'd been over-training, it seemed like a good place to start regardless of who wrote it out...I've been reading so much that the idea of trying to do my own split at this point is retarded, I'm trying to increase my calories properly before I mess too much with programs by myself....

In my initial post I wanted T's direction to the info...In other posts I'd seen people just posted links to sites where the info was. That was the info I wanted, a nutritional layout...daily breakdown, whichever, in regard to having been undereating...

Anyway, I feel like this has become an argument which is not at all what I'm after...I misunderstood the point of these forums I guess...

[healthnut]

Looks like most of your questions center around nutrition. Try reading the articles on this link: http://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com/articles.html

They are from Thunder's website. I thought they were posted on this website, but I couldn't find them. They contain alot of good information. I would start with something simple, before venturing into carb cycling. Good luck!

[janey]

You could be eating around 1620 calories a day for fat loss (12X your bodyweight is a good estimate to use). This works for some people and does not work for others. The best thing to do is try it and adjust from there depending on your results.

Carb cycling is a tool that some use but isn't necessary if you are following a plan and it is already working for you.

For your protein needs, I would suggest an intake of at least 1gram/lb. Take that number and divide by the number of meals you plan to eat in a day and that will be your amount for each meal. The rest of your meals can be made up of your carbs and fats...some people don't eat carbs with fats and others do, it's all up to you and how you're progressing.

Try to come up with a menu for yourself and then post and people will help you with it.

Good luck. :)

[loki]

Thank You :)

[Erik]

Originally posted by loki@Jun 6 2006, 12:09 PM
That I was looking for where that information came from...Website, whatever...
Until I came into here I'd never seen information on actually repairing metabolism...That whole subject of increasing calories to a certain maintenence point and then finding your deficit for fat loss and then going from there, I'd never heard about that...
Which means what? It's wrong?

[Ashes41]

From what I can tell she as looking for a scientific source to back up the need to repair the metabolism or the formula for fixing it...

Just how I read it. :wave:

[Erik]

Originally posted by Ashes41@Jun 6 2006, 03:04 PM
From what I can tell she as looking for a scientific source to back up the need to repair the metabolism or the formula for fixing it...

Just how I read it. :wave:
Go read about leptin and all the other regulatory hormones and how they respond to caloric deficits and decreasing bodyfat levels.

[Ashes41]

Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 6 2006, 02:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 6 2006, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashes41@Jun 6 2006, 03:04 PM
From what I can tell she as looking for a scientific source to back up the need to repair the metabolism or the formula for fixing it...

Just how I read it. :wave:
Go read about leptin and all the other regulatory hormones and how they respond to caloric deficits and decreasing bodyfat levels. [/b][/quote]
I didn&#39;t need scientific proof... I think it makes sense without it. I was just trying to help. :p

[Erik]

Originally posted by Ashes41+Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ashes41 @ Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 02:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashes41@Jun 6 2006, 03:04 PM
From what I can tell she as looking for a scientific source to back up the need to repair the metabolism or the formula for fixing it...

Just how I read it. :wave:
Go read about leptin and all the other regulatory hormones and how they respond to caloric deficits and decreasing bodyfat levels.
I didn&#39;t need scientific proof... I think it makes sense without it. I was just trying to help. :p [/b][/quote]
Sorry, that wasn&#39;t really directed at you. :) It was a generic reply.

[Pinky]

Janey had some good info to start. If it were me, pick one thing to focus on, ie. getting enough protein in a day/meal, then once you get a handle on that, try carb cycling.

I have not done any carb cycling, seems too confusing for me right now. I am just trying to get my diet on track, eat clean consistently. Once I get that done, I will look into carb cycling. There really is so much info, it is easy to get confused.

I agree with what you had mentioned before, stick to a program that has already been designed then once you get the hang of that, you can work on one yourself.

I am like you, I need to do the research myself, and learn it myself, but there is so much info, I am just trying to put my faith in what I read here, and work it.

[alandrum]

Originally posted by loki@Jun 6 2006, 09:33 AM
I already have paid for someone&#39;s help and it was through these forums that I found out I&#39;d been so greatly misinformed....I am very well educated on the topic it&#39;s just that it&#39;s difficult when leaving the extreme approach to trust oneself...

I&#39;d just like reinforcement that I&#39;m on the right track, there are no nutritionists in my area, I&#39;ve looked everywhere and the 2 women that do practice are affiliated with the hospital only and therefore you must have a doctors referal to see them....I am not at any high health risk and so I can&#39;t get a referal...I&#39;m entering into this area myself due to the lack of knowledgable people but in the mean time I don&#39;t have many other places to look...
The last 2 books I bought didn&#39;t really answer my questions...
;)
No need to be snappy
try the ebook Feed the Muscle Lose the Fat or it might be Loss the Fat, feed the Muscle. can not remember. Great read and gives you equations for figuring out how much to eat.

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by alandrum+Jun 7 2006, 05:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (alandrum @ Jun 7 2006, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-loki@Jun 6 2006, 09:33 AM
I already have paid for someone&#39;s help and it was through these forums that I found out I&#39;d been so greatly misinformed....I am very well educated on the topic it&#39;s just that it&#39;s difficult when leaving the extreme approach to trust oneself...

I&#39;d just like reinforcement that I&#39;m on the right track, there are no nutritionists in my area, I&#39;ve looked everywhere and the 2 women that do practice are affiliated with the hospital only and therefore you must have a doctors referal to see them....I am not at any high health risk and so I can&#39;t get a referal...I&#39;m entering into this area myself due to the lack of knowledgable people but in the mean time I don&#39;t have many other places to look...
The last 2 books I bought didn&#39;t really answer my questions...
;)
No need to be snappy
try the ebook Feed the Muscle Lose the Fat or it might be Loss the Fat, feed the Muscle. can not remember. Great read and gives you equations for figuring out how much to eat. [/b][/quote]
But unless you are at a level to be able to read that book and note problems in his theory it may not be for you, IMO anyway

[mark]

Originally posted by alandrum+Jun 7 2006, 10:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (alandrum @ Jun 7 2006, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-loki@Jun 6 2006, 09:33 AM
I already have paid for someone&#39;s help and it was through these forums that I found out I&#39;d been so greatly misinformed....I am very well educated on the topic it&#39;s just that it&#39;s difficult when leaving the extreme approach to trust oneself...

I&#39;d just like reinforcement that I&#39;m on the right track, there are no nutritionists in my area, I&#39;ve looked everywhere and the 2 women that do practice are affiliated with the hospital only and therefore you must have a doctors referal to see them....I am not at any high health risk and so I can&#39;t get a referal...I&#39;m entering into this area myself due to the lack of knowledgable people but in the mean time I don&#39;t have many other places to look...
The last 2 books I bought didn&#39;t really answer my questions...
;)
No need to be snappy
try the ebook Feed the Muscle Lose the Fat or it might be Loss the Fat, feed the Muscle. can not remember. Great read and gives you equations for figuring out how much to eat. [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t know why, but I want to poke the guy that wrote that book in the eyeball.

[fubarella]

Hi ...I am new here as of today and was totally excited about being directed to such an informative and supportive site...yet now, with all the scrutiny this girl is under from a so-called support net of people all here with basically the same goals at heart...I am fearfull of sharing mine...God forbid I have a question...Knowledge is free...share the wealth....Why ya gotta hate on her? Seems it takes alot more effort to cut and paste all her quotes then to give her the answer she humbly came to you people to find. :confused:

[Kristy]

Originally posted by fubarella@Jun 7 2006, 10:57 PM
Hi ...I am new here as of today and was totally excited about being directed to such an informative and supportive site...yet now, with all the scrutiny this girl is under from a so-called support net of people all here with basically the same goals at heart...I am fearfull of sharing mine...God forbid I have a question...Knowledge is free...share the wealth....Why ya gotta hate on her? Seems it takes alot more effort to cut and paste all her quotes then to give her the answer she humbly came to you people to find. :confused:
Nice first post. :huh:



edit to add smiley.

[poke]

Originally posted by fubarella@Jun 8 2006, 03:57 PM
Hi ...I am new here as of today and was totally excited about being directed to such an informative and supportive site...yet now, with all the scrutiny this girl is under from a so-called support net of people all here with basically the same goals at heart...I am fearfull of sharing mine...God forbid I have a question...Knowledge is free...share the wealth....Why ya gotta hate on her? Seems it takes alot more effort to cut and paste all her quotes then to give her the answer she humbly came to you people to find. :confused:


I don&#39;t think anyone has been rude to her, and I wasn&#39;t sure what she was looking for exactly after her first post, either. The pointed questions were just trying to get to the point. I&#39;m still confused as to what exactly she would like help with, after a page of discussion. It sounded like she was asking for a detailed plan, but when she was offered information to help herself get that, she said she was very well educated. :shrug:

All questions are answered on this forum. There just isn&#39;t any gaurantee that you&#39;ll like the answer or that all requests will be complied with.

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by fubarella@Jun 8 2006, 06:57 AM
Hi ...I am new here as of today and was totally excited about being directed to such an informative and supportive site...yet now, with all the scrutiny this girl is under from a so-called support net of people all here with basically the same goals at heart...I am fearfull of sharing mine...God forbid I have a question...Knowledge is free...share the wealth....Why ya gotta hate on her? Seems it takes alot more effort to cut and paste all her quotes then to give her the answer she humbly came to you people to find. :confused:
Hi. Welcome. The thing is people have to do their homework a bit first. Read the info and post a plan, then others are willing to help. Nobody is going to spend their time doing it for them for free, that&#39;s all.

[andromeda]

Originally posted by fubarella@Jun 7 2006, 11:57 PM
Hi ...I am new here as of today and was totally excited about being directed to such an informative and supportive site...yet now, with all the scrutiny this girl is under from a so-called support net of people all here with basically the same goals at heart...I am fearfull of sharing mine...God forbid I have a question...Knowledge is free...share the wealth....Why ya gotta hate on her? Seems it takes alot more effort to cut and paste all her quotes then to give her the answer she humbly came to you people to find. :confused:
I beg to differ-as far as i&#39;m concerned, there is nothing humble about the words "Thunder, that means you". He doesn&#39;t owe this woman anything. Why would she be rude enough to call him out on a public forum like that as if he had some obligation to help her or something? From what I have seen, when people come asking for help in a "humble" manner, as you suggested, Thunder and others jump in and help a LOT. I really feel that the way OP&#39;s title was worded was less than humble. No offense to you OR OP here, but as soon as I saw this thread title I thought either a) this person was close friends with Thunder, or b) this person was kind of rude to assume that Thunder would come running to her command.

JMO.

[fitcajungirl]

Originally posted by fubarella@Jun 8 2006, 01:57 AM
Hi ...I am new here as of today and was totally excited about being directed to such an informative and supportive site...yet now, with all the scrutiny this girl is under from a so-called support net of people all here with basically the same goals at heart...I am fearfull of sharing mine...God forbid I have a question...Knowledge is free...share the wealth....Why ya gotta hate on her? Seems it takes alot more effort to cut and paste all her quotes then to give her the answer she humbly came to you people to find. :confused:
Knowledge is FREE???
:confused:

Then why do people pay large amounts of money to universities to get educated?? Thunder makes his living doing this, so I am just thankful for all the advice in the stickies and have learned so much spending hours reading&#33; :cool:

[freckles]

Originally posted by andromeda@Jun 8 2006, 12:56 PM
No offense to you OR OP here, but as soon as I saw this thread title I thought either a) this person was close friends with Thunder, or b) this person was kind of rude to assume that Thunder would come running to her command.

JMO.
I just avoided it because I assumed it meant that T was the only person here who knew anything... :scratch: despite the fact that there are many VERY educated people on this board.

[ladybug]

ay ya yi :sad: :(