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Angelkae
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
I've been trying to look into PSMF, but can't really find any substantial information on the subject... for those of you doing PSMF, where did you learn about it? Can you recommend any web links or books that would help me learn about it?
Thanks in advance...
Originally posted by Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 10:07 AM
I've been trying to look into PSMF, but can't really find any substantial information on the subject... for those of you doing PSMF, where did you learn about it? Can you recommend any web links or books that would help me learn about it?
Thanks in advance...
Buy the book.
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 6 2006, 09:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 6 2006, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 10:07 AM
I've been trying to look into PSMF, but can't really find any substantial information on the subject... for those of you doing PSMF, where did you learn about it? Can you recommend any web links or books that would help me learn about it?
Thanks in advance...
Buy the book. [/b][/quote]
What book? I'll buy it if someone tells me what book they're all using... Is it one of yours?
Originally posted by Angelkae+Jun 6 2006, 10:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Angelkae @ Jun 6 2006, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 09:07 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 10:07 AM
I've been trying to look into PSMF, but can't really find any substantial information on the subject... for those of you doing PSMF, where did you learn about it? Can you recommend any web links or books that would help me learn about it?
Thanks in advance...
Buy the book.
What book? I'll buy it if someone tells me what book they're all using... Is it one of yours? [/b][/quote]
Why do you want to do this in the first place?
And no, definitely not. Look it up on amazon. Author - Lyle McDonald.
The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967145643/sr=8-1/qid=1149603282/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0200158-1535174?%5Fencoding=UTF8)
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 09:14 AM
Why do you want to do this in the first place?
And no, definitely not. Look it up on amazon. Author - Lyle McDonald.
Thanks for the info, T and Mark.
I need to get back on track with my weight loss.
I haven't lost any weight in almost 2 months, even though I'm lifiting 3x weekly just like I was before, and I'm lifting a lot more weight. I cut back on the cardio, but still do a little cardio each week (about one 30-minute ss and 1 20-minute HIIT weekly, instead of close to an hour daily).
And, my diet is much better, excluding a 4-day vacation we took a few weeks ago. Even on crappy eating days like the vacation I always get my 1gXbw or more of protein. 2 months ago I pretty much ate if I was hungry, avoided white sugar/flour/rice etc... ate lots of fruit and veggies. That was my plan.
Why do you ask?
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 02:59 PM
A diet break every 6-8 weeks can help a lot. The solution isn't always to go harder.
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 09:59 AM
A diet break every 6-8 weeks can help a lot. The solution isn't always to go harder.
I guess I sort of feel the need to start over, from scratch. You know what I mean? I feel like whatever I'm doing, it's not working, lol. That's probably not true, but it's definitely how I'm perceiving it....
Originally posted by Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:07 AM
I guess I sort of feel the need to start over, from scratch. You know what I mean? I feel like whatever I'm doing, it's not working, lol. That's probably not true, but it's definitely how I'm perceiving it....
So your 'starting over from scratch' = going on an extremely low cal diet? I'd take PMDL's advice and take a bit of time at maintenance, and then consider going PSMF or just resuming your diet.
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:07 AM
So your 'starting over from scratch' = going on an extremely low cal diet? I'd take PMDL's advice and take a bit of time at maintenance, and then consider going PSMF or just resuming your diet.
"starting over from scratch" = finding a way to start losing fat again. Or not. ;)
How much time would a person normally take at maintenance? A day or two? A week?
Blondell
06-06-2006, 03:24 PM
mantainance is your friend--trust me on this one. :)
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 03:26 PM
Also...
Maintenance is BWx15, correct? How accurate is this calculation? For me, 127x15=1905... that seems a tad high for me...
Originally posted by Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:23 AM
"starting over from scratch" = finding a way to start losing fat again. Or not. ;)
How much time would a person normally take at maintenance? A day or two? A week?
A good two weeks.
A day or two would do nothing.
Originally posted by Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:26 AM
Also...
Maintenance is BWx15, correct? How accurate is this calculation? For me, 127x15=1905... that seems a tad high for me...
Reasonably accurate, but it's a guideline. Generally 14-16x BW. It seems high because it's maintenance and you're probably always eating in a deficit to lose fat.
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 03:28 PM
Of course it'll vary for everyone. No figure can ever be accurate.
It won't hurt you for a week.
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:26 AM
Also...
Maintenance is BWx15, correct? How accurate is this calculation? For me, 127x15=1905... that seems a tad high for me...
Reasonably accurate. Generally 14-16x BW. It seems high because it's maintenance and you're probably always eating in a deficit to lose fat. [/b][/quote]
Always. Like, since I was 13. lol
Originally posted by Angelkae+Jun 6 2006, 11:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Angelkae @ Jun 6 2006, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:26 AM
Also...
Maintenance is BWx15, correct? How accurate is this calculation? For me, 127x15=1905... that seems a tad high for me...
Reasonably accurate. Generally 14-16x BW. It seems high because it's maintenance and you're probably always eating in a deficit to lose fat.
Always. Like, since I was 13. lol [/b][/quote]
:blink:
Yeah, get thee to maintennace.
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:23 AM
"starting over from scratch" = finding a way to start losing fat again. Or not. ;)
How much time would a person normally take at maintenance? A day or two? A week?
A good two weeks.
A day or two would do nothing. [/b][/quote]
2 weeks? That's scares me for some reason. But okay.
Maybe I'll be able to increase my weights this week. That would make it worth it... :D :D :D
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 03:34 PM
Being a fag about eating at or even *gasp* over maintenance is why so many women have troubles losing weight in the first place, in the context of otherwise solid practices.
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 11:34 AM
Being a fag about eating at or even *gasp* over maintenance is why so many women have troubles losing weight in the first place, in the context of otherwise solid practices.
LMAO
Bluntness rocks. :lol:
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 10:34 AM
Being a fag about eating at or even *gasp* over maintenance is why so many women have troubles losing weight in the first place, in the context of otherwise solid practices.
Lol, rofl, you're freaking awesome.
:D
Being a fag about eating at maintenance... lol....
Christine_99
06-06-2006, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 09:35 AM
LMAO
Bluntness rocks. :lol:
:love: :love: It truly does rock. Thats why I like Matt sooo much :love: :love:
janey
06-06-2006, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Angelkae+Jun 6 2006, 10:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Angelkae @ Jun 6 2006, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:23 AM
"starting over from scratch" = finding a way to start losing fat again. Or not. ;)
How much time would a person normally take at maintenance? A day or two? A week?
A good two weeks.
A day or two would do nothing.
2 weeks? That's scares me for some reason. But okay.
Maybe I'll be able to increase my weights this week. That would make it worth it... :D :D :D [/b][/quote]
I've been eating at maintenance for over a week now and my weights have gone up. Considering I was stalled for a couple months, I'm excited. :clap: :clap:
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by janey+Jun 6 2006, 11:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (janey @ Jun 6 2006, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:23 AM
"starting over from scratch" = finding a way to start losing fat again. Or not. ;)
How much time would a person normally take at maintenance? A day or two? A week?
A good two weeks.
A day or two would do nothing.
2 weeks? That's scares me for some reason. But okay.
Maybe I'll be able to increase my weights this week. That would make it worth it... :D :D :D
I've been eating at maintenance for over a week now and my weights have gone up. Considering I was stalled for a couple months, I'm excited. :clap: :clap: [/b][/quote]
Janey- AWESOME! I hope I can go up, too. I get so bummed because every week I want to go up but when I try I can barely get one set in with the higher weight!
Congrats to you. How do you feel, eating at maintenance? Have you gained weight?
One thing I was wondering, if your body is used to eating at sub-maintenance, or even sub-BMR, will you initially gain weight at maintenance?
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 04:49 PM
You know what "maintenance" means, right?
NCfitnessgirl
06-06-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Angelkae+Jun 6 2006, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Angelkae @ Jun 6 2006, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by janey@Jun 6 2006, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Angelkae@Jun 6 2006, 11:23 AM
"starting over from scratch" = finding a way to start losing fat again. Or not. ;)
How much time would a person normally take at maintenance? A day or two? A week?
A good two weeks.
A day or two would do nothing.
2 weeks? That's scares me for some reason. But okay.
Maybe I'll be able to increase my weights this week. That would make it worth it... :D :D :D
I've been eating at maintenance for over a week now and my weights have gone up. Considering I was stalled for a couple months, I'm excited. :clap: :clap:
Janey- AWESOME! I hope I can go up, too. I get so bummed because every week I want to go up but when I try I can barely get one set in with the higher weight!
Congrats to you. How do you feel, eating at maintenance? Have you gained weight?
One thing I was wondering, if your body is used to eating at sub-maintenance, or even sub-BMR, will you initially gain weight at maintenance? [/b][/quote]
After doing a PSMF-ish diet for about 4 weeks, I went back on maintenance and actually lost a few more pounds.
janey
06-06-2006, 05:01 PM
Maintenance means maintaining at your current weight but I've been gaining in a deficit so I'm not a good example. :dry: A deficit being 12X my bodyweight.
Anyways, I weigh 145 and am eating around 2000 cals per day- using 14X bodyweight since I was gaining in a deficit.
I feel good but I'm not going to lie - I'm still gaining. <sigh>
It's all good. I will eat this way for the rest of June and then I'm going to try something different. :)
At least my lifts are going up. My deads went up 10lbs last night for all 6 sets! :clap:
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 05:03 PM
Some people have to drop as low as 8kcal/lb to see loss.
janey
06-06-2006, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 12:03 PM
Some people have to drop as low as 8kcal/lb to see loss.
Yes, I posted the question at BR and got that response - I didn't realize before then that that might be the case for me. Since I've been in a deficit since January, I was also told to take a break.
But then I started thinking....if I'm gaining at 12X bodyweight then how do I know for sure that maintenance is 14X bodyweight? :confused:
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 05:11 PM
You don't.
Those calcs are nothing but a guideline. Always go by real-world results before the "on paper" stuff.
krispy1138
06-06-2006, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by janey@Jun 6 2006, 11:01 AM
Maintenance means maintaining at your current weight but I've been gaining in a deficit so I'm not a good example. :dry: A deficit being 12X my bodyweight.
Anyways, I weigh 145 and am eating around 2000 cals per day- using 14X bodyweight since I was gaining in a deficit.
I feel good but I'm not going to lie - I'm still gaining. <sigh>
It's all good. I will eat this way for the rest of June and then I'm going to try something different. :)
At least my lifts are going up. My deads went up 10lbs last night for all 6 sets! :clap:
Nice to know I'm not the only one who gains in a deficit!
janey
06-06-2006, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 12:11 PM
You don't.
Those calcs are nothing but a guideline. Always go by real-world results before the "on paper" stuff.
Sigh. This just gets harder and harder. Fuck it. If I end up being a whale for the month of June then at least I'll be a stronger whale. :curse:
Originally posted by krispy1138+Jun 6 2006, 01:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (krispy1138 @ Jun 6 2006, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-janey@Jun 6 2006, 11:01 AM
Maintenance means maintaining at your current weight but I've been gaining in a deficit so I'm not a good example. :dry: A deficit being 12X my bodyweight.
Anyways, I weigh 145 and am eating around 2000 cals per day- using 14X bodyweight since I was gaining in a deficit.
I feel good but I'm not going to lie - I'm still gaining. <sigh>
It's all good. I will eat this way for the rest of June and then I'm going to try something different. :)
At least my lifts are going up. My deads went up 10lbs last night for all 6 sets! :clap:
Nice to know I'm not the only one who gains in a deficit! [/b][/quote]
Then you're not in a deficit are you ...
jaleena
06-06-2006, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by janey+Jun 6 2006, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (janey @ Jun 6 2006, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 12:11 PM
You don't.
Those calcs are nothing but a guideline. Always go by real-world results before the "on paper" stuff.
Sigh. This just gets harder and harder. Fuck it. If I end up being a whale for the month of June then at least I'll be a stronger whale. :curse: [/b][/quote]
It's not that bad, really. Get to eat your fill of clean food, not worry about the odd baked good, chill out. After spending the first two decades of my life dieting, I'm having a hard time getting into a non-whale mindset...this is just sooo much better!
janey
06-06-2006, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by jaleena+Jun 6 2006, 12:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaleena @ Jun 6 2006, 12:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by janey@Jun 6 2006, 05:14 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 12:11 PM
You don't.
Those calcs are nothing but a guideline. Always go by real-world results before the "on paper" stuff.
Sigh. This just gets harder and harder. Fuck it. If I end up being a whale for the month of June then at least I'll be a stronger whale. :curse:
It's not that bad, really. Get to eat your fill of clean food, not worry about the odd baked good, chill out. After spending the first two decades of my life dieting, I'm having a hard time getting into a non-whale mindset...this is just sooo much better! [/b][/quote]
:)
This is exactly the way I'm looking at it...or at least trying to. It's fustrating and disheartening but I will get there.
Thank you. Your words mean a lot.
jaleena
06-06-2006, 05:34 PM
I'm amazed that helped, but glad it did!
krispy1138
06-06-2006, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Thunder+Jun 6 2006, 11:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ Jun 6 2006, 11:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by krispy1138@Jun 6 2006, 01:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-janey@Jun 6 2006, 11:01 AM
Maintenance means maintaining at your current weight but I've been gaining in a deficit so I'm not a good example.* :dry: A deficit being 12X my bodyweight.
Anyways, I weigh 145 and am eating around 2000 cals per day- using 14X bodyweight since I was gaining in a deficit.
I feel good but I'm not going to lie - I'm still gaining. <sigh>
It's all good. I will eat this way for the rest of June and then I'm going to try something different. :)
At least my lifts are going up. My deads went up 10lbs last night for all 6 sets!* :clap:
Nice to know I'm not the only one who gains in a deficit!
Then you're not in a deficit are you ... [/b][/quote]
Well, logic would have you think that but ...
shall we compromise and call it water weight? :uuhh:
No compromising from me.
How does one gain in a deficit?
PowerManDL
06-06-2006, 05:39 PM
Her body magically turned off conservation of energy.
nikegurl
06-06-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:36 AM
No compromising from me.
How does one gain in a deficit?
couldn't have been an "actual deficit". must have been what she THOUGHT was a deficit but in fact was not.
krispy1138
06-06-2006, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by nikegurl+Jun 6 2006, 11:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nikegurl @ Jun 6 2006, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@Jun 6 2006, 10:36 AM
No compromising from me.
How does one gain in a deficit?
couldn't have been an "actual deficit". must have been what she THOUGHT was a deficit but in fact was not. [/b][/quote]
Just to clarify - My post quoted Janey's post, where she said she gained at a deficit of 12 x BW (which is what I gained at, 7 lbs in a week to be exact). That was what I meant by "gaining in a deficit".
I've lost 5 lbs in 3 weeks at 1500 calories, which is obviously a true "deficit" for me.
janey
06-06-2006, 05:51 PM
I think I believed I was in a deficit because everything I've read for the past year has told me that I should be at 12X bodyweight to lose. And then I read the other side of the coin going, don't restrict your calories too much or it'll slow down your metabolism.
So then one is just caught in between if they're not seeing results. Scared to go lower and make things worse and scared to go higher and make things worse.
Obviously, it's not an exact science and I thought it would be, moreso then it is or made out to be.
But now I know from personal experience that it's not and I shall go from there.
krispy1138
06-06-2006, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by janey@Jun 6 2006, 11:51 AM
I think I believed I was in a deficit because everything I've read for the past year has told me that I should be at 12X bodyweight to lose. And then I read the other side of the coin going, don't restrict your calories too much or it'll slow down your metabolism.
So then one is just caught in between if they're not seeing results. Scared to go lower and make things worse and scared to go higher and make things worse.
Obviously, it's not an exact science and I thought it would be, moreso then it is or made out to be.
But now I know from personal experience that it's not and I shall go from there.
Ditto.
Angelkae
06-06-2006, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@Jun 6 2006, 11:49 AM
You know what "maintenance" means, right?
Yes, but I was wondering how yor body would handle it if your metabolism was damaged... lol... nevermind. Stupid question.
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