EC Stack and HIIT

[GraceGirl]

Is it ok to take an EC stack before an HIIT session? I was just wondering because I know HIIT works your heart to its max, so I didn't know if taking the stack would be too much. Thanks for the advice!!

[Blondell]

why woudn't it be?

[Brandi]

I've never had a problem.

[GraceGirl]

I guess as long as I keep my HR in check, it should be ok. I guess I just wanted to hear everyone's opinions...

[Kathryn]

I just ordered EC...when do you all take it? and how often?

[jrb1980]

I remember taking it years ago before HITT and feeling really off from it - maybe becase I took to much (probably actually), but I would be aware of how you are feeling and reacting and adjust accordingly if needed.

[Sarawithanh]

Originally posted by Kathryn@May 4 2006, 07:25 PM
I just ordered EC...when do you all take it? and how often?
What exactly is EC stack? Pardon my ignorance.......

[racerunner]

Originally posted by Sarawithanh2000@May 4 2006, 03:34 PM
What exactly is EC stack? Pardon my ignorance.......
ephedra/caffeine

[GraceGirl]

Originally posted by Kathryn@May 4 2006, 02:25 PM
I just ordered EC...when do you all take it? and how often?
Well I just started, but I take it twice a day, once when I wake up before my morning workout, and then once around 2 PM or so. I try not to take it after then otherwise I can't sleep!

[GraceGirl]

Originally posted by racerunner@May 4 2006, 03:38 PM
ephedra/caffeine
Well, if you wanna get technical, it's ephedrine, not ephedra. Ephedra is the herb that was banned, but ephedrine, is the safer, more precise, man-made equivalent.

[Christine_99]

I take mine also in the a.m. when I get up and around 1pm. I have taken it before HIIT, just be aware of what your body feels like and if anything funny happens, stop. I have had no bad effects. :)

[EmilytheStrange]

I use it and don't have a problem. As a matter of fact, I never get the heart-racing affects that many get with it. Stop if you start feeling ill though.

[Blondell]

Originally posted by GraceGirl@May 4 2006, 08:48 PM
ephedrine, is the safer, more precise, man-made equivalent.
what makes it safer?

[GraceGirl]

Originally posted by bdd814@May 4 2006, 06:56 PM
what makes it safer?
It's safer because the dose is exact. With the herb, the doses were inconsistent.

[PowerManDL]

Yeah I do this all the time.

Ephedrine before weights, before cardio, before drinking, before bed....ephedrine is great any time.

[nikegurl]

I much preferred ephedra over ephedrine myself. But doesn't much matter since I can get ephedrine but not ephedra. (i can FIND ephedra but no one will ship it to CA)

[Mandy]

Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 4 2006, 08:34 PM
Yeah I do this all the time.

Ephedrine before weights, before cardio, before drinking, before bed....ephedrine is great any time.
:lol: Does it cause the alcohol to get into the system even faster?

Not that I need to know because I never ever drink and don't take E/C :unsure: . By the way, Cinco de Mayo tomorrow.

[PowerManDL]

Originally posted by Mandy+May 4 2006, 10:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mandy @ May 4 2006, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@May 4 2006, 08:34 PM
Yeah I do this all the time.

Ephedrine before weights, before cardio, before drinking, before bed....ephedrine is great any time.
:lol: Does it cause the alcohol to get into the system even faster?

Not that I need to know because I never ever drink and don&#39;t take E/C :unsure: . By the way, Cinco de Mayo tomorrow. [/b][/quote]
No, but it does work to keep the brain "stimulated" and thus increases your drinking tolerance about 20 times over. It also puts on what we called the "autopilot", where you don&#39;t remember a damn thing but were up and completely functional.

[Indhira001]

Originally posted by GraceGirl@May 4 2006, 01:30 PM
Is it ok to take an EC stack before an HIIT session? I was just wondering because I know HIIT works your heart to its max, so I didn&#39;t know if taking the stack would be too much. Thanks for the advice&#33;&#33;
Hi Gracie Girl

Can you suggest a brand??? or pm me.

Thank You&#33;

:lol:

[Sarawithanh]

I thought that ppl on "this" board (aka former o2 board) didn&#39;t really condone supplements of this nature.

Is it to boost your energy for your workouts or to help with fatloss?

i <3 ephedrine - my substitute for now is sf red bull on occassion

yeah, what brands have ephedrine now?

[Dreamer]

This is scary, even if effedrine is more safe than effedra, what about the quality of the product that contain E/C in a pill?? What do we know about the long term effect using it on the body? Why effedra was banned? Because it was too dangerous for some and did cause death. Effedrine is man made derived product of effedra, however this product is still young on the market. How are we gonna react if in four year from now, they discover that effedrine is causing some irreversible brain damage?

[Erik]

Originally posted by Dreamer@May 6 2006, 11:59 AM
This is scary, even if effedrine is more safe than effedra, what about the quality of the product that contain E/C in a pill?? What do we know about the long term effect using it on the body? Why effedra was banned? Because it was too dangerous for some and did cause death. Effedrine is man made derived product of effedra, however this product is still young on the market. How are we gonna react if in four year from now, they discover that effedrine is causing some irreversible brain damage?
I think you might be a tad misinformed.

[Dreamer]

Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 11:00 AM
I think you might be a tad misinformed.


I may be, but I think this product is still lacking some serious research about long term health safety by using effedrine.

If you have some article about it, can you give me the links?? I&#39;m always learning something new on this forum everyday and that what keep me coming back here&#33;

[Erik]

Originally posted by Dreamer@May 6 2006, 12:11 PM


I may be, but I think this product is still lacking some serious research about long term health safety by using effedrine.

If you have some article about it, can you give me the links?? I&#39;m always learning something new on this forum everyday and that what keep me coming back here&#33;
Have you done a lit review by chance?

I&#39;ll look for something for you, but in the mean time, feel free to do a little searching around on pubmed. You&#39;ll be able to read some abstracts there. Or even google research; that&#39;s a good one as well.

[strongchick]

there is solid research.

There&#39;s a great book out that talks about the politics and &#036;&#036; behind the ephdrine ban. When used correctly (which most people don&#39;t), it is fine.

[Erik]

Check www.drumlib.com

[Dreamer]

Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:14 PM
Check www.drumlib.com

Thanks for the link,

Here are the links that I used for my research in the past, for those who are interrested:

- http://www.injuryboard.com/view.cfm/Article=231

- http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advis...02_01bk2_e.html (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/2002/2002_01bk2_e.html)

- http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/ephedra...-diet-pills.htm (http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/ephedra-free-diet-pills.htm)

- http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/effects.html

- http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/failed_safety.html




Note: I respect people&#39;s choice toward taking ephedrine to help fat loss. However, in a fitness forum like this one, I think it&#39;s also very important to point out that those kind of products may be not always safe for everybody. Also to point out, that if you really want to achieve weight loss goal or else, succes is within by changing your lifestyle and your diet. Popping those kind of pill won&#39;t make you leaner if you don&#39;t have a proper diet and exercices.

[Sarawithanh]

For the People who use a EC stack...what brand do you use and where do you buy it from?

[Erik]

Originally posted by Sarawithanh2000@May 7 2006, 07:35 PM
For the People who use a EC stack...what brand do you use and where do you buy it from?
Straight ephedrine hydrochloride and caffeine pills

Try here

www.1fast400.com

[Lyn]

Thanks for the link Erik.

Bodybuilding.com is currently out of stock.

[GraceGirl]

To the peeps who wanted to know a brand...

I use Primatene Tablets which contain 12.5mg Ephedrine HCL. I just take two twice a day to make 25mg. You can also get Bronkaid, but the ingredients there list 25mg Ephedrine Sulphate, and although it may be the same thing (I&#39;m not sure), I wanted to stick with something that actually said HCL.

But I do know plenty of people who take the Bronkaid.

As for the caffeine, any old caffeine pill (200mg) should do the trick.

And BTW, my HIIT on the EC was AWESOME&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Blondell]

Originally posted by GraceGirl@May 8 2006, 10:13 AM


And BTW, my HIIT on the EC was AWESOME&#33;&#33;&#33;
I had my first "real" hiit this morn&#39; w/ my EC stack. B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. :clap:

[Indhira001]

Originally posted by GraceGirl@May 8 2006, 09:13 AM
To the peeps who wanted to know a brand...

I use Primatene Tablets which contain 12.5mg Ephedrine HCL. I just take two twice a day to make 25mg. You can also get Bronkaid, but the ingredients there list 25mg Ephedrine Sulphate, and although it may be the same thing (I&#39;m not sure), I wanted to stick with something that actually said HCL.

But I do know plenty of people who take the Bronkaid.

As for the caffeine, any old caffeine pill (200mg) should do the trick.

And BTW, my HIIT on the EC was AWESOME&#33;&#33;&#33;
Hey There,


Do you order those online??? or Where can I get them??

Thank You&#33;

:cool:

[Erik]

www.1fast400.com

[Blondell]

Thank you so much, Thunder. This site offers it for half of what I&#39;ve been paying. Thanx a mil. :happy:

[Indhira001]

Thank YOu&#33;


I just ordered Biotek Ephedrine from this website.. Thank You&#33;

[Indhira001]

One last question....

In the meantime, do you suggest a brand that I can while I get mine on the mail????

Sorry to bother that much, but I learn so much from all of you.... :oops:

[Blondell]

Originally posted by BuenosDias1972@May 8 2006, 06:03 PM
One last question....

In the meantime, do you suggest a brand that I can while I get mine on the mail????

Sorry to bother that much, but I learn so much from all of you.... :oops:
I don&#39;t buy them offline b/c where I live they&#39;re a ripoff. I buy Mega-Pro. And, if you just want to buy it offline try gas stations. They ar the only place I&#39;ve seen them. Others may have better ideas though. :oops:

[tamlvscarl]

Ok I just went to the site Thunder linked but don&#39;t know exactly what to buy? Can u guys tell me what exactly I should buy??

[Indhira001]

Hi

Do not if this might help - but I ordered Biotek - Maximum Strengh Ephedrine Hydrochloride 25 mg

I just got them yesterday :clap: - but I have not bought the Caffeine pills as yet.... :dry:

[tamlvscarl]

That one says that its for people with asthma?

"Temporarily relieves shortness of breath, tightness of chest and wheezing due to bronchial asthma.
Eases berating for asthma patients. Helps loosen mucus and thin bronchial secretions to drain bronchial tubes."

Can it b used by anyone? And do u just get the caffeine pills from any drug store (CVS)??

[Indhira001]

Hi

I understand that is the right type- according to the dose - and the caffeine pills you can get them at any regular drugstore. I saw ones called Vivarin -

But probably someone else can add more....

:baby:

[Strive2Define]

I bought the vasopro and the caffeine tabs

[BlueTuna]

Call me a pussy - and many people do - but I would be terrified to take anything that messed with my heartrate. A lady I know on another board took ephedra many years ago and suffered heart and kidney problems last year - she saw specialist after specialist who traced it back to the ephedra. She also gained a massive amount of water weight which wouldn&#39;t budge. The only way she could get some relief was by having her legs bandaged. As soon as she took the bandages off, the edema returned. This went on for about 6 months. It&#39;s so frightening to think that a supplement you took years ago could cause such serious problems later.

I know the man-made version is supposed to be safer, but still...

[Strive2Define]

Blue, I think of this the same way I think of any other type of medication..the same stuff can affect different people differently.Remember when all the tylenol products were pulled because they supposedly contained some type of ingredients( forget which one it was) that caused brain bleeds? Well, maybe it did for some people but I had been taking the same meds for years for colds etc and it hadn&#39;t ever bothered me.Some people can tolerate more alcohol than others but it doesn&#39;t mean that alcohol as a whole should be labeled as bad and prohibited from everyone.Im sorry but I highly doubt something she took years earlier caused her EDEMA yrs later. I could be wrong of course but you will never convince me. If you don&#39;t want to indulge then by all means don&#39;t.I get so sick of the hysteria that the media causes. Most people who experienced problems with ephedra were NOT taking it properly to begin with.Just MY two cents.

[BlueTuna]

You&#39;re probably right, S2D. I can&#39;t remember all the details, but I seem to remember that various specialists said that the ephedra caused this lady&#39;s kidney problems which led to the edema. And that the problem with her heart was permanent. She was probably chugging down handfuls of diet pills without thinking about what she was doing.

Like I said, I&#39;m a pussy, but my gut tells me that any supplement which messes with your heart-rate is bad news. Meow&#33;

[Erik]

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 12 2006, 05:57 PM
Call me a pussy - and many people do - but I would be terrified to take anything that messed with my heartrate. A lady I know on another board took ephedra many years ago and suffered heart and kidney problems last year - she saw specialist after specialist who traced it back to the ephedra. She also gained a massive amount of water weight which wouldn&#39;t budge. The only way she could get some relief was by having her legs bandaged. As soon as she took the bandages off, the edema returned. This went on for about 6 months. It&#39;s so frightening to think that a supplement you took years ago could cause such serious problems later.

I know the man-made version is supposed to be safer, but still...
Do you drink coffee?

Do you workout? Do cardio? HIIT? Anything like that?

[Strive2Define]

Oh what the F ever..to each their own. My point to this whole thing was..this entire scenario here was ALREADY discussed at length earlier in the thread...but some people always feel they have to drag it back up and use scare tactics to sway others their way.If you don&#39;t want to take it..then don&#39;t and how do you know your friend wasn&#39;t chugging them by the hand full..because she SAID so?? Well, it must be true then because we all know the human race never lies at all.......go have a quaalude and pipe down :rolleyes:

[BlueTuna]

Here&#39;s my pic - I think I got pretty lean without ephedra&#33; :p

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/hawn5/feb2009.jpg

[racerunner]

ephedra rocks

God made it so I use it...just don&#39;t abuse it :suicide:

the people who abused it ruined it for the rest of us and now we have to get the scientists involved to "standardize" it for us

[Kathryn]

I just got my ephederine today :clap: I take Vasopro and some generic brand of caffeine pills from Wal-mart :)

does anybody feel a little "loopy" when they take E/C? and does anybody get a crash a couple of hours later after taking it?

[Strive2Define]

Crash how? I know I am very cranky as mine has worn off..is this what you mean or are you talking tiredness?

[Kathryn]

Originally posted by Strive2Define@May 13 2006, 01:06 AM
Crash how? I know I am very cranky as mine has worn off..is this what you mean or are you talking tiredness?
tiredness..well my mind is still going 100 mph but my body just feels wiped...I took another one before I worked at 11 pm tonight..I felt wiped out like 5 hours after taking it...

[Erik]

Originally posted by Kathryn@May 13 2006, 01:24 AM
tiredness..well my mind is still going 100 mph but my body just feels wiped...I took another one before I worked at 11 pm tonight..I felt wiped out like 5 hours after taking it...
I&#39;ve felt that before.

[PowerManDL]

Drug amateurs.

[SAGE]

Originally posted by Kathryn@May 12 2006, 07:15 PM
I just got my ephederine today :clap: I take Vasopro and some generic brand of caffeine pills from Wal-mart :)

does anybody feel a little "loopy" when they take E/C? and does anybody get a crash a couple of hours later after taking it?
Loopy? Not really, maybe a bit cranky :mad: when I start my first "cycle" :p

I&#39;ve been taking 16 mg ephedrine w/200 mg caffeine before workouts. But I also cycle it (on 2 weeks/off for about 1 week) cause my body adjusts to the effects quickly.

[gymgurl]

I&#39;m just wondering, can the body become used to ephedra where you eventually have to take more of it to get the same effect? It does that with caffeine correct?

If you were just using ephedra for energy purposes, not fat burning and taking it before workouts, would you adapt to it? And would it be okay to take before every workout or should you only use it when you feel you need it?

[Erik]

Originally posted by gymgurl@May 13 2006, 12:29 PM
I&#39;m just wondering, can the body become used to ephedra where you eventually have to take more of it to get the same effect? It does that with caffeine correct?

If you were just using ephedra for energy purposes, not fat burning and taking it before workouts, would you adapt to it? And would it be okay to take before every workout or should you only use it when you feel you need it?
Yes, for sure

At least in terms of the stimulatory effect. I believe there&#39;s a least one paper that says that the thermogenic effect is potentiated over time. Mind you, ephedrine is a stronger anorectic than it is a thermogenic.

[strongchick]

Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 13 2006, 08:27 AM
Drug amateurs.
BWAAA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

Stimulants just don&#39;t have that effect on me....must be all the caffeine I ODed on in grad school.

[gymgurl]

Originally posted by Thunder+May 13 2006, 11:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 13 2006, 11:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gymgurl@May 13 2006, 12:29 PM
I&#39;m just wondering, can the body become used to ephedra where you eventually have to take more of it to get the same effect? It does that with caffeine correct?

If you were just using ephedra for energy purposes, not fat burning and taking it before workouts, would you adapt to it? And would it be okay to take before every workout or should you only use it when you feel you need it?
Yes, for sure

At least in terms of the stimulatory effect. I believe there&#39;s a least one paper that says that the thermogenic effect is potentiated over time. Mind you, ephedrine is a stronger anorectic than it is a thermogenic. [/b][/quote]
Thanks for the reply. So it would be better than to only take it once in a while? I&#39;ve taken it before, not regularly but noticed a huge difference in how I felt (a good difference) and I&#39;d love to take it everyday but so far I&#39;ve kind of thought maybe best to just take it on those days I just can&#39;t get my ass in gear....

How often do you think you&#39;d have to take it for your body to get accustomed? Would taking it 3 days a week be okay and keep it guessing? or does it not work like that?

[GraceGirl]

Originally posted by gymgurl+May 13 2006, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gymgurl @ May 13 2006, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@May 13 2006, 11:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-gymgurl@May 13 2006, 12:29 PM
I&#39;m just wondering, can the body become used to ephedra where you eventually have to take more of it to get the same effect?* It does that with caffeine correct?*

If you were just using ephedra for energy purposes, not fat burning and taking it before workouts, would you adapt to it? And would it be okay to take before every workout or should you only use it when you feel you need it?
Yes, for sure

At least in terms of the stimulatory effect. I believe there&#39;s a least one paper that says that the thermogenic effect is potentiated over time. Mind you, ephedrine is a stronger anorectic than it is a thermogenic.
Thanks for the reply. So it would be better than to only take it once in a while? I&#39;ve taken it before, not regularly but noticed a huge difference in how I felt (a good difference) and I&#39;d love to take it everyday but so far I&#39;ve kind of thought maybe best to just take it on those days I just can&#39;t get my ass in gear....

How often do you think you&#39;d have to take it for your body to get accustomed? Would taking it 3 days a week be okay and keep it guessing? or does it not work like that? [/b][/quote]
I know some people who do two weeks on, two weeks off. Then there are those who do four weeks on, two weeks off. And then there are those few who just never take a break and are simply addicted. :p

[tamlvscarl]

Ok so I think I&#39;m one of those people lol. I&#39;ve been taking Xenadrine for a while now 2 pills twice a day. Would switching to an EC stack maek a difference. How is the EC stack compared to Xenadrine?

[Blondell]

Originally posted by tamlvscarl@May 15 2006, 01:51 PM
Ok so I think I&#39;m one of those people lol. I&#39;ve been taking Xenadrine for a while now 2 pills twice a day. Would switching to an EC stack maek a difference. How is the EC stack compared to Xenadrine?
I liked Xenadrine when it had E in it.

Now?.............BLAH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[TheBoner]

A few years ago I was soooo busy, working about 18-20 hours a day. The ONLY way I got thru was from Hydroxycut when it contained Ephedrine. I NEVER took more than it suggested. A fantastic energy / awareness booster. It usually suggests cycling off after awhile. After doing this schedule for about 6-8 months, one night I got dizzy. My body was in exhaustion, with this product getting me thru. I got some needed rest and quite the supplement for awhile and was fine. The amount of work I was able to accomplish is mind blowing. I just hope it did not shorten my lifespan. Though other things will. I highly recommend this stack, as long as you follow the dosage recommendations and listen to your body. There were times I had to slow down a little. Good Luck All.

[PowerManDL]

I have to go off clen every two weeks or it stops working.

Either that or run ketotifen to upregulate the beta receptors.

Oh yeah, a few grams of L-tyrosine can help give the energy feeling back if it&#39;s gone.

[AEB]

Does Edepherine have an expiration date that it should be used by? I bought a crapload before it was banned, cause one bottle was 20&#036; but ten bottles was only 100&#036; (this is why you should never get addicted to internet shopping, its ever so tempting), but never did try it so it&#39;s been stuck in a drawer for the last five years. I know they say doctor prescribed meds go bad and should be thrown out, so just wondering if this would be the same.

[PowerManDL]

Never know unless you try it.

[Strive2Define]

Originally posted by AEB@May 23 2006, 02:02 AM
Does Edepherine have an expiration date that it should be used by? I bought a crapload before it was banned, cause one bottle was 20&#036; but ten bottles was only 100&#036; (this is why you should never get addicted to internet shopping, its ever so tempting), but never did try it so it&#39;s been stuck in a drawer for the last five years. I know they say doctor prescribed meds go bad and should be thrown out, so just wondering if this would be the same.
The vasopro I just bought has an expiration date on it...I just got it about 3 weeks ago and the exp date is 11/07

[tamlvscarl]

Just ordered my Biotek--can&#39;t wait to get it and start using it&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Bravogrl27]

Bumping this thread back up. For those who were new to EC stacks and started taking them a few months ago, I'm curious how it's been working for you. I've been having to intake more caffeine (just the old-fashioned coffee way) to ward off headaches, and am curious about the Ephedrine (did I spell it right?) part . . . I'm not sure I really need if all it is is an appetite suppressent, I have a hard enough time eating enough right now . . . any other benefits of the Ephedrine? Anyway, curious how it's been working out for y'all, what brands you prefer still, etc. (Edit -- I meant to also add that even though I've been drinking coffee more, it's still not really giving me a 'jump start' -- at least not without making me bloated and too full of coffee . . . so my primary interest is in getting the jolt prior to workouts that others mentioned.)

Thanks.:shades:

[jaleena]

Bravo, I don't notice any appetite suppression with ephedrine, but it's a major energy boost. My favourite "brand" is jut these tiny white tabs, not much in them but ephedrine...don't know if you can still find that. Otherwise, anything in tablet form is better than capsule form, IMO...splittable, and less incidence of flavoured burps.

[VannaRae]

a source of info: http://www.drumlib.com/update/ephedrine-hcl-mini-thins.htm

[Bravogrl27]

Bravo, I don't notice any appetite suppression with ephedrine, but it's a major energy boost. My favourite "brand" is jut these tiny white tabs, not much in them but ephedrine...don't know if you can still find that. Otherwise, anything in tablet form is better than capsule form, IMO...splittable, and less incidence of flavoured burps.

Oh I misunderstood then. I thought I read one of Eric's posts that the ephedrine was mostly for appetite suppression and that most people aren't eating enough anyway. Maybe I took that out of context.

I could really use the energy boost! I'll keep researching and possibly get some... I just don't want to suppress my appetite anymore than it already is.

[GraceGirl]

Hmmm...most people DO use it as a sufficient form of appetite suppression. It really works wonder on my appetite. I have to MAKE myself eat.

And the energy is wondrous as well. I used to never want to STOP doing cardio after dosing some.

I actually think I'm going to start taking it again tomorrow since my eating has been a little on the wild side lately... :D

[Bravogrl27]

Hmmm...most people DO use it as a sufficient form of appetite suppression. It really works wonder on my appetite. I have to MAKE myself eat.

And the energy is wondrous as well. I used to never want to STOP doing cardio after dosing some.

I actually think I'm going to start taking it again tomorrow since my eating has been a little on the wild side lately... :D

:oops: Darn, I already have to make myself eat . . . just have not had much of an appetite lately . . . I think I need something that increases my appetite, not suppresses it . . . maybe I'll just stick w/caffeine then . . .

[GraceGirl]

:oops: Darn, I already have to make myself eat . . . just have not had much of an appetite lately . . . I think I need something that increases my appetite, not suppresses it . . . maybe I'll just stick w/caffeine then . . .


K...well why don't we switch then? You can have my recent insatiable appetite, and I'll take your non-existant one. Sound good? :D

[amyloo]

And the energy is wondrous as well. I used to never want to STOP doing cardio after dosing some.

Man, I love that can't stop running feeling! I literally have to cut myself off or I'd go for an hour. Sadly, I don't feel the same without E/C... :dry:

[GraceGirl]

Man, I love that can't stop running feeling! I literally have to cut myself off or I'd go for an hour. Sadly, I don't feel the same without E/C... :dry:

Without E/C, cardio sucks :horseshit:. With it, I feel like I can fly. :banana:

[Mandy]

EC stack PLUS coffee (not the decaf kind) is the only reason I'm still studying for my midterms for grad school and the only reason i did not eat my arm off today on my 10 minute drive back from class. Even when it REALLY kicks in and I'm going a hundred miles a minute, my focus on my school work is awesome. I tend to retain information a lot better. My guess would be because I'm not sluggish and having my head to the fall thing when you fall asleep while sitting. 4 hours maximum of sleep a night will do that to you.
Sure makes cardio a lot more fun and productive as well.

[michellebelle]

:oops: Darn, I already have to make myself eat . . . just have not had much of an appetite lately . . . I think I need something that increases my appetite, not suppresses it . . . maybe I'll just stick w/caffeine then . . .

Don't take the EC if you don't want your appetite suppressed...like gracegirl said...usually when I'm taking EC I have to make myself eat.

[KatieB]

Don't take the EC if you don't want your appetite suppressed...like gracegirl said...usually when I'm taking EC I have to make myself eat.

Ditto that -- I hate eating on EC :D.

[Bravogrl27]

So if you're appetite is suppressed, how do you eat prior to working out? I already struggle with that early in the AM and can barely get a few sips of a protein shake down . . . are you still able to eat something pre-workout?

[michellebelle]

So if you're appetite is suppressed, how do you eat prior to working out? I already struggle with that early in the AM and can barely get a few sips of a protein shake down . . . are you still able to eat something pre-workout?

I'm never hungry for my pre-workout meal anyway. I just do it because I know it's important...if you were taking EC first thing in the morning it wouldn't kick in until later, anyway, so your early morning appetite still wouldn't change.

[jackie]

www.1fast400.com
bump

This site no longer sells this. With the holidays approaching I really would like to try this. Where can I get it?..please

[Blondell]

biotek is hard to find, you want that brand?

[jackie]

biotek is hard to find, you want that brand?
Don't care what brand? Also do you still need a caffeine pill if you drink coffee?

[Blondell]

Also do you still need a caffeine pill if you drink coffee?
not needed unless you're a junky like me :oops:


turn your pm's on, please. :)

[jackie]

not needed unless you're a junky like me :oops:


turn your pm's on, please. :)
done

[Bravogrl27]

bump

This site no longer sells this. With the holidays approaching I really would like to try this. Where can I get it?..please

:pimpslap: Ok, I'll let you in on a little secret but don't sell it, I'm marketing it soon (kidding)... take cold coffee and blend with chocolate and vanilla protein powder. Depending on how you mix it, not bad, maybe add a little splenda. OK I guess that's not really the same thing but it's one of my latest inventions I'm still working on and seems to do something . . . thought maybe not the total kick you're looking for . . . Say NO to caffeine pills...

[Strive2Define]

:pimpslap: Ok, I'll let you in on a little secret but don't sell it, I'm marketing it soon (kidding)... take cold coffee and blend with chocolate and vanilla protein powder. Depending on how you mix it, not bad, maybe add a little splenda. OK I guess that's not really the same thing but it's one of my latest inventions I'm still working on and seems to do something . . . thought maybe not the total kick you're looking for . . . Say NO to caffeine pills...
How can you compare some cold(yuck) coffee w/a bit of protein powder in it to an EC stack is beyond me?Why is a drinking coffee okay but taking a caffeine pill isn't?

[Bravogrl27]

How can you compare some cold(yuck) coffee w/a bit of protein powder in it to an EC stack is beyond me?Why is a drinking coffee okay but taking a caffeine pill isn't?

Caffeine pills (Vibrin) made me way too jittery and I was highly addicted to them in high school... Coffee is more filling/doesn't make me jittery at all ... and because it's a shake it's filling and thus could be like an appetite suppressant . . . Cold coffee (depending what strength, brand, your taste budes, etc.) is really not that bad . . . especially if you make it like a fruppucinno . . . I was a barista back in the day so I'm pretty good at mixing drinks/flavors/etc. . . just takes some experimenting. :shades:

[jackieleigh]

I still get hungry on EC :shrug:

[tamlvscarl]

I do too unfortunately!

[kelster]

not needed unless you're a junky like me :oops:


turn your pm's on, please. :)

bdd814 can you PM me that brand info also??

thanks so much!!

HAPPY MONDAY!

[Meadows]

Hey y'all!

I am interested in trying out the EC stack too, I am just sooooo sluggish in the winter. If someone could PM me the link to buy I would really appreciate it!

If I understood, I can take the ephedrine with coffee instead of the caffiene pills?

[firstchik]

I'm not a coffee drinker (i know, there are so few of us) . would you suggest any OTC caffine people combined with vosopro ?

[firstchik]

I just went to the vitamin shoppe website and typed in, "Vasopro": this is what i got: This doesn't seem right to me. GNC has nothing. Any other places that will ship ASAP?

Supplement name: Pinnacle Nox2

Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-Akg) 3000 Mg N/A*

* Daily value not established

Directions:
Take 3 tablets twice daily - once in the morning on an empty stomach and 1/2 hour prior to lunch. To maximize results, drink at least 64 ounces of water daily while using NoX2.

Other Ingredients:
Beta Cyclodextrin, Cephalins, Xanthan, Inulin, Sorbitol, Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid.

Does Not Contain:
Yeast, Corn, Soy, Wheat, Lactose, Citrus, Milk, Egg and Fish Products, Sugar, Salt, Starch, Artificial Colors or Flavors, or Preservatives.

Warnings:
Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing or if you are at risk or are being treated for high blood pressure, liver, thyroid or psychiatric disease, diabetes. While using NoX2, don't take products that contain ephedra as they may act as a vasoconstrictor, reducing NoX2 effects. While taking NoX2, drink at least 8 glasses of water on the days you don't train and 10-12 glasses on the days you do train. While taking NoX2, don't let your carbohydrate intake fall below 40% of your daily caloric intake. Don't eat for at least 30 minutes before or after taking NoX2. Don't take NoX2 after NoX2 after 3:00 p.m. Although NoX2 contains no stimulants of any kind, it may keep you awake.



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[firstchik]

Just curious, when you take your E/C stack, do you take it WITH food? I know many of you say you're not hungry when you use it but when you initially take it, do you put food in your stomach? Does it cause an upset stomach if you take them w/an empty stomach? Thanks!

[Blondell]

DO NOT I repeat DO NOT GO TO GNC OR VITAMIN SHOPPE FOR EPHEDRINE!!

[Blondell]

Just curious, when you take your E/C stack, do you take it WITH food? I know many of you say you're not hungry when you use it but when you initially take it, do you put food in your stomach? Does it cause an upset stomach if you take them w/an empty stomach? Thanks!
I take it with and without. Whenever I remember to; as many times as I remember to. :lol:

[firstchik]

DO NOT I repeat DO NOT GO TO GNC OR VITAMIN SHOPPE FOR EPHEDRINE!!


yes maam!!!!

[Blondell]

:lol:

[krispy1138]

Blondell, are you going to stop taking E/C before your comp? If so, how far out are you cutting it?

[Blondell]

Blondell, are you going to stop taking E/C before your comp? If so, how far out are you cutting it?
I didn't know there were two Blondells here. :oops:

You can't be asking me that! :lol: I'll keep it in. ;)

[Ana]

DO NOT I repeat DO NOT GO TO GNC OR VITAMIN SHOPPE FOR EPHEDRINE!!
Why not?

[Blondell]

Why not?
First off, they overcharge. Secondly, if you live in the states, they rarely sell it.

[Ana]

First off, they overcharge. Secondly, if you live in the states, they rarely sell it.

Oh I thought it was poisonous :lol:

[Blondell]

:wth: :lol:

[Ana]

:wth: :lol:

You americans are weird like that :lol:

[Blondell]

You americans are weird like that :lol:
I should be an honorary Canadian. I live close enough :shrug: :lol:

[jaleena]

I should be an honorary Canadian. I live close enough :shrug: :lol:
Then spell "honourary" properly :wink: :bitch:

[Ana]

I should be an honorary Canadian. I live close enough :shrug: :lol:
I'll take ya!

[Ana]

Then spell "honourary" properly :wink: :bitch:
:funny: :funny:

[Blondell]

I know how to say "eh". does that count? :p

flavour
honour
I'll just add "u's" everywhere and then I'll fit in fine. :lol:

[jackieleigh]

I take it with and without. Whenever I remember to; as many times as I remember to. :lol:

me too

[Erik]

Request Denied.

:banned:

[Blondell]

Request Denied.

:banned:
:attitude: :lol3:

[jackieleigh]

I actually havent had any stack in about 2 months now...my caffeene intake greatly increased though :oops:

[christie]

Request Denied.

:banned:
:funny:

[Christine_99]

LOL I guess its not so easy to get into Canada ;)