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NCfitnessgirl
05-06-2006, 02:17 AM
Just curious what exactly detraining entails, like...

- What period of time should you stop training? And do you stop or just do less volume?

- During this period, do you stop all training, or do you continue cardio?

- How often should you detrain?

- How much strength should you expect to lose after the detraining period?

p-funk
05-06-2006, 02:19 AM
you want to detrain yourself? :blink:

Kristy
05-06-2006, 02:26 AM
Do you mean deloading?

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by Kristy@May 5 2006, 10:26 PM
Do you mean deloading?
Unloading?

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 02:29 AM
Golf?

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:29 PM
Golf?
Nice member title.

Strike 2

Kristy
05-06-2006, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 5 2006, 06:27 PM
Unloading?
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Kristy@May 5 2006, 10:33 PM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Oh yeah?

What's the difference b/w deloading and unloading?

quickie
05-06-2006, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Kristy@May 6 2006, 02:33 AM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Am I allowed to say your avi is hot again? :lol:

Kristy
05-06-2006, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 5 2006, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 5 2006, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 5 2006, 10:33 PM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Oh yeah?

What&#39;s the difference b/w deloading and unloading? [/b][/quote]
My word is MUCH cooler.

:p

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Kristy+May 5 2006, 10:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kristy @ May 5 2006, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@May 5 2006, 06:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 5 2006, 10:33 PM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Oh yeah?

What&#39;s the difference b/w deloading and unloading?
My word is MUCH cooler.

:p [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s much gheigher.

Kristy
05-06-2006, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by quickie+May 5 2006, 06:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (quickie @ May 5 2006, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 6 2006, 02:33 AM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Am I allowed to say your avi is hot again? :lol: [/b][/quote]
Indeed you are, and thank you. ;)

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by quickie+May 5 2006, 10:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (quickie @ May 5 2006, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 6 2006, 02:33 AM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Am I allowed to say your avi is hot again? :lol: [/b][/quote]
Hey Elf, Kristy is in Vegas. She&#39;ll be with us this summer. Hint, hint.

Kristy
05-06-2006, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 5 2006, 06:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 5 2006, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Kristy@May 5 2006, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@May 5 2006, 06:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 5 2006, 10:33 PM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Oh yeah?

What&#39;s the difference b/w deloading and unloading?
My word is MUCH cooler.

:p
It&#39;s much gheigher. [/b][/quote]
westside4life&#33;&#33;&#33;111one.

All the cool people say deloading.

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:30 AM
Nice member title.

Strike 2
Nice GOLF team on ya&#33;&#33;

Some of us in Canada like to cheer for hockey teams, but you know, if you can find people who play golf for long enough in the summer, you just mught have someone worth cheering for. Unfortunately for me, my favourite golfers won&#39;t have time to get out on the green until, oh, late June, so they&#39;ll be a bit behind your fav players....Oh well, I guess I&#39;ll settle for hockey for now...

:innocent:

Kristy
05-06-2006, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 5 2006, 06:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 5 2006, 06:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by quickie@May 5 2006, 10:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 6 2006, 02:33 AM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Am I allowed to say your avi is hot again? :lol:
Hey Elf, Kristy is in Vegas. She&#39;ll be with us this summer. Hint, hint. [/b][/quote]
Are you pimping me out? You have no shame&#33;

quickie
05-06-2006, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 6 2006, 02:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 6 2006, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by quickie@May 5 2006, 10:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 6 2006, 02:33 AM
No, deloading.

as in a deloading phase.
Am I allowed to say your avi is hot again? :lol:
Hey Elf, Kristy is in Vegas. She&#39;ll be with us this summer. Hint, hint. [/b][/quote]
:lol:

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator+May 5 2006, 10:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ May 5 2006, 10:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:30 AM
Nice member title.

Strike 2
Nice GOLF team on ya&#33;&#33;

Some of us in Canada like to cheer for hockey teams, but you know, if you can find people who play golf for long enough in the summer, you just mught have someone worth cheering for. Unfortunately for me, my favourite golfers won&#39;t have time to get out on the green until, oh, late June, so they&#39;ll be a bit behind your fav players....Oh well, I guess I&#39;ll settle for hockey for now...

:innocent: [/b][/quote]
:ban:

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 6 2006, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 6 2006, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:36 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:30 AM
Nice member title.

Strike 2
Nice GOLF team on ya&#33;&#33;

Some of us in Canada like to cheer for hockey teams, but you know, if you can find people who play golf for long enough in the summer, you just mught have someone worth cheering for. Unfortunately for me, my favourite golfers won&#39;t have time to get out on the green until, oh, late June, so they&#39;ll be a bit behind your fav players....Oh well, I guess I&#39;ll settle for hockey for now...

:innocent:
:ban: [/b][/quote]
Are you sending me to the golf course? Am I OUTTA HERE?? :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:40 PM
Are you sending me to the golf course? Am I OUTTA HERE?? :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)
I have such sudden hatred for you.

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 6 2006, 02:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder &#064; May 6 2006, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:40 PM
Are you sending me to the golf course? Am I OUTTA HERE?? :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)
I have such sudden hatred for you. [/b][/quote]

I&#39;m just kidding.

I hate the Senators too.

Erik
05-06-2006, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator+May 5 2006, 10:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ May 5 2006, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:40 PM
Are you sending me to the golf course? Am I OUTTA HERE?? :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)
I have such sudden hatred for you.

I&#39;m just kidding.

I hate the Senators too. [/b][/quote]
Now you&#39;re talking

Blondell
05-06-2006, 02:57 AM
So............what is it? :huh:

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 6 2006, 02:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 6 2006, 02:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:40 PM
Are you sending me to the golf course?* Am I OUTTA HERE??* :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)
I have such sudden hatred for you.

I know you are hurt that the Leafs are out of the playoff, but you know, I am sure they would sleep with you anyway.


Now you&#39;re talking [/b][/quote]
Glad you are happy :)

Erik
05-06-2006, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Chelsinator+May 5 2006, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chelsinator @ May 5 2006, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:40 PM
Are you sending me to the golf course? Am I OUTTA HERE?? :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)
I have such sudden hatred for you.

I know you are hurt that the Leafs are out of the playoff, but you know, I am sure they would sleep with you anyway.


Now you&#39;re talking
Glad you are happy :) [/b][/quote]
LMAO

p-funk
05-06-2006, 03:03 AM
basically there is a time to drop the volume (under-reaching) and keep the intensity high and in others drop the volume and intensity as well (unloading).

There is probably a general/generic percentage written somewhere in some book that says how much you should decrease the workload on the under-reaching/underloading week(s). But in simplest terms, just drop the workload. if you have been training 4 days a week for 3 weeks, in the fourth week cut back to only 2 or three times a week (once every 2-3 days) and maintain your intensity.

A basic example of this could be ramping up your volume over 3 weeks, week 4 maintaining the intensity but cutting the volume and then weeks 5-7 keeping the volume at that lower level (under-reaching) and then increasing the intensity. Week 8 you can unload and drop the volume and instenisty and give your body a break. I think somewhere in Supertraining, Siff says something like your body can handle two 4 week rounds of over-reaching/under-reaching (acumulation/intensification) before it needs to take a longer break.

In general, in the over-reaching phase you are purposefully going to try and push yourself into a fatigued state. the greater the amount of fatigue your get, the longer you will need to "back off" for. Typically, you don&#39;t want to over-reach more then a 10% reduction in performance as you will start to push yourself into more of an over-trained state.

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 6 2006, 03:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 6 2006, 03:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Thunder@May 6 2006, 02:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Chelsinator@May 5 2006, 10:40 PM
Are you sending me to the golf course?* Am I OUTTA HERE??* :lol:

I&#39;ll say hi to Mats, Wade and Eddy for ya ;)
I have such sudden hatred for you.

I know you are hurt that the Leafs are out of the playoff, but you know, I am sure they would sleep with you anyway.


Now you&#39;re talking
Glad you are happy :)
LMAO [/b][/quote]
hahaha :lol:

Blondell
05-06-2006, 03:08 AM
Thank you, p-funk. :)

Chelsinator
05-06-2006, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by bdd814@May 6 2006, 03:08 AM
Thank you, p-funk. :)
Oh yeah....there was a real question in this thread... :oops:

NCfitnessgirl
05-07-2006, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by p&#045;funk@May 5 2006, 11:03 PM
basically there is a time to drop the volume (under-reaching) and keep the intensity high and in others drop the volume and intensity as well (unloading).

There is probably a general/generic percentage written somewhere in some book that says how much you should decrease the workload on the under-reaching/underloading week(s). But in simplest terms, just drop the workload. if you have been training 4 days a week for 3 weeks, in the fourth week cut back to only 2 or three times a week (once every 2-3 days) and maintain your intensity.

A basic example of this could be ramping up your volume over 3 weeks, week 4 maintaining the intensity but cutting the volume and then weeks 5-7 keeping the volume at that lower level (under-reaching) and then increasing the intensity. Week 8 you can unload and drop the volume and instenisty and give your body a break. I think somewhere in Supertraining, Siff says something like your body can handle two 4 week rounds of over-reaching/under-reaching (acumulation/intensification) before it needs to take a longer break.

In general, in the over-reaching phase you are purposefully going to try and push yourself into a fatigued state. the greater the amount of fatigue your get, the longer you will need to "back off" for. Typically, you don&#39;t want to over-reach more then a 10% reduction in performance as you will start to push yourself into more of an over-trained state.
Thanks p-funk&#33; My internet went down and I couldn&#39;t get back to controll the debauchery. :lol:

I wasn&#39;t sure what it was called. I was just wondering if training stopped completely or if volume just decreased. Would you continue with cardio or not?

PowerManDL
05-07-2006, 06:23 PM
Go check my journal for a "freestyle" example of it.

I&#39;m not exactly counting reps or anything of that sort, just gradually ramping up the weight and volume, going in and beating the hell out of myself for a week, then backing off the volume/frequency while keeping the weight kinda heavy.

Like anything, it&#39;s only as complicated as you want it to be.

NCfitnessgirl
05-07-2006, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 7 2006, 02:23 PM
Go check my journal for a "freestyle" example of it.

I&#39;m not exactly counting reps or anything of that sort, just gradually ramping up the weight and volume, going in and beating the hell out of myself for a week, then backing off the volume/frequency while keeping the weight kinda heavy.

Like anything, it&#39;s only as complicated as you want it to be.
Cool, thanks&#33;