What do you think of think of this statement?

[Strive2Define]

"i have to disagree with you on one thing. the training. it DOES make a difference. you can train like a powerlifter and get a 'blocky' look, you can train like a BB and get an X-shape, or you can overtrain like a figure and keep the muslces smallers."

[Blondell]

:wth:

[Erik]

I partially agree, but also disagree.

[Blondell]

you can overtrain like a figure and keep the muslces smallersI think the last statement is idiotic :shrug:

[Strive2Define]

I partially agree, but also disagree.
Would you mind elaborating?

[Aaron_F]

Its mostly stupid as dirt

[KatieB]

Are you eating like them too?

:D

[Strive2Define]

Are you eating like them too?

:D
Is who eating like who?

[jaleena]

Is who eating like who?
I think that's the thing...if a figure girl eats the standard PL diet, she won't look like a figure girl, not even a little bit. She'll look like she eats doughnuts...which of course can be fixed with diet, but that'll still be the result. If a PL eats like a bodybuilder, largely the bodybuilder look will be more apparent...for the most part, if PL'ers went on diets, they'd look like bodybuilders, the muscle is there, if sometimes present in overly developed obliques for added stability. And figure girls have to eat less to be smaller than the heavyweight bodybuilders, and then not diet as long pre-comp so they're not striated.

[KatieB]

I think that's the thing...if a figure girl eats the standard PL diet, she won't look like a figure girl, not even a little bit. She'll look like she eats doughnuts...which of course can be fixed with diet, but that'll still be the result. If a PL eats like a bodybuilder, largely the bodybuilder look will be more apparent...for the most part, if PL'ers went on diets, they'd look like bodybuilders, the muscle is there, if sometimes present in overly developed obliques for added stability. And figure girls have to eat less to be smaller than the heavyweight bodybuilders, and then not diet as long pre-comp so they're not striated.

Precisely.

[smuggie]

All Powerlifters are Fatties (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=699538)

[Sportsgirl]

All Powerlifters are Fatties (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=699538)

Hehe. I was thinking of that guy when Jaleena mentioned the diet thing. Glad you found the link :)

[KatieB]

I think most serious powerlifters would look absolutely amazing dieted down -- that guy was hawt.

[Lynny]

hawt. :shades:

[Marcelo]

:thumb:
Its mostly stupid as dirt

[Marcelo]

What about strongmen Pudz, Marunde or Jon Andersen? I would not call anyone of those guys fat.

[bubblebooty]

All Powerlifters are Fatties (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=699538)


:omg: :love: :jeff:

[Aaron_F]

I think that's the thing...if a figure girl eats the standard PL diet, she won't look like a figure girl, not even a little bit. She'll look like she eats doughnuts...which of course can be fixed with diet, but that'll still be the result. If a PL eats like a bodybuilder, largely the bodybuilder look will be more apparent...for the most part, if PL'ers went on diets, they'd look like bodybuilders, the muscle is there, if sometimes present in overly developed obliques for added stability. And figure girls have to eat less to be smaller than the heavyweight bodybuilders, and then not diet as long pre-comp so they're not striated.

I have never seen any over developed obliques. I have seen people who are naturally thick waisted like me. No amount of trainings gonna alter shit for me.

I have seen big bloated budda bellies on the heavier PLrs, but thats cos they are in general fat bastards. Little guys look more like bbrs than anything.

[smuggie]

What about strongmen Pudz, Marunde or Jon Andersen? I would not call anyone of those guys fat.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/montagnu/pudz.jpg

[Patricia]

That (I think) Asian girl Char posted that held records in PLing was tiny.

[smuggie]

That (I think) Asian girl Char posted that held records in PLing was tiny.
So is Cheryl Anderson.

http://www.petitepowerlifter.com/

[Patricia]

So is Cheryl Anderson.

http://www.petitepowerlifter.com/
That's her....I thought she was of Asian descent

[Robben]

So is Cheryl Anderson.

http://www.petitepowerlifter.com/

I know Cheryl - She works out at the same gym that I do... She's one hell of a powerlifter... And she's anything but fat! :hehehmn:

[smuggie]

I know Cheryl - She works out at the same gym that I do... She's one hell of a powerlifter... And she's anything but fat! :hehehmn:
Word. She's pretty hot.

[Strive2Define]

Where did all the PL people are fat comments come from?

[jaleena]

Where did all the PL people are fat comments come from?
Have you ever been to a meet? There are lots of big guys there...and a fair portion of big girls. Not everyone, but really...aside from a select few, we're bigger than physique athletes, and much more comfortable with losing sight of our abs.

[matt]

Where did all the PL people are fat comments come from?


Because most powerlifters will gain weight to get bigger lifts, and we don't particularly care if it is fat as long as your lifts increase.

[Tony]

Because most powerlifters will gain weight to get bigger lifts, and we don't particularly care if it is fat as long as your lifts increase.

Here is something something to wank over:

Given that once you're past certain point in terms of bodyfat, partitioning goes to teh shitter. Thus the caloric excess will go more towards bodyfat, and less towards muscle. Many powerlifters who use the GFH approach seem to surpass this point. Would it not be better for powerlifters to diet down every now and then to improve their partitioning thus allowing them to gain more muscle than fat? Obviously, in teh real world, GFH works fine for many... Please excuse me, I'm just mentally masturbating...

[jaleena]

Here is something something to wank over:

Given that once you're past certain point in terms of bodyfat, partitioning goes to teh shitter. Thus the caloric excess will go more towards bodyfat, and less towards muscle. Many powerlifters who use the GFH approach seem to surpass this point. Would it not be better for powerlifters to diet down every now and then to improve their partitioning thus allowing them to gain more muscle than fat? Obviously, in teh real world, GFH works fine for many... Please excuse me, I'm just mentally masturbating...
If one gets to a point where additional bodyweight does nothing for any lift, then yes...I was at that point, dropped a little weight. Because of my relatively high bf, it dropped quickly and easily. But an actual cut, to get lean, where partitioning would be optimised? Hell no, you couldn't pay me for that.

[Tony]

If one gets to a point where additional bodyweight does nothing for any lift, then yes...I was at that point, dropped a little weight. Because of my relatively high bf, it dropped quickly and easily. But an actual cut, to get lean, where partitioning would be optimised? Hell no, you couldn't pay me for that.

Oh no. I'm not talking ghey lean or anything. I was thinking maybe 12-15% as the low end for men and ~20% as the low end for women...

[jaleena]

Oh no. I'm not talking ghey lean or anything. I was thinking maybe 12-15% as the low end for men and ~20% as the low end for women...
I probably stopped a little higher than that, hard to know for sure, but yeah, I could deal with that.

[matt]

Here is something something to wank over:

Given that once you're past certain point in terms of bodyfat, partitioning goes to teh shitter. Thus the caloric excess will go more towards bodyfat, and less towards muscle. Many powerlifters who use the GFH approach seem to surpass this point. Would it not be better for powerlifters to diet down every now and then to improve their partitioning thus allowing them to gain more muscle than fat? Obviously, in teh real world, GFH works fine for many... Please excuse me, I'm just mentally masturbating...

I'm actually planning to try and get down to leaner later this coming year with that very thought in mind. :wink:

[radgirl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/montagnu/pudz.jpg
OMG! :jeff:

So, regardless of training, it still boils down to diet. Correct?

[3sweeties]

I'll take one of those for christmas.:lol3: :drool:

[smuggie]

OMG! :jeff:

So, regardless of training, it still boils down to diet. Correct?
Of course.

[Strive2Define]

Have you ever been to a meet? There are lots of big guys there...and a fair portion of big girls. Not everyone, but really...aside from a select few, we're bigger than physique athletes, and much more comfortable with losing sight of our abs.
No I have not ever been to a meet but actually that isn't what I was referring to..I just meant in this thread in general but I guess it was just a hijack.

[Strive2Define]

OMG! :jeff:

So, regardless of training, it still boils down to diet. Correct?
He is Hot.Mario that is!!

[smuggie]

He is Hot.Mario that is!!
Mariusz.

[Strive2Define]

Mariusz.
Go.crunch.numbers

[PnW]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/montagnu/pudz.jpg
Lordy lordy lordy... :eek:

thank you for my new screensaver :drool:

[ritzgal]

Lordy lordy lordy... :eek:

thank you for my new screensaver :drool:

I don't think he will FIT on my screen... :lol3:

[Chelsinator]

Get ready for my intellectual post;

Big boys are freakin' hawt. I wanna lick them.

[smuggie]

Mariusz is always popular with the ladies. :lol:

[Lynny]

:naughty: :nod:
Mariusz is always popular with the ladies. :lol:

[Aaron_F]

But an actual cut, to get lean, where partitioning would be optimised? Hell no, you couldn't pay me for that.

they do

its called upping their doses

[jaleena]

they do

its called upping their doses
If I had a dose, we'd talk...

[Mandy]

Mariusz is always popular with the ladies. :lol:
He frightens me, like, if he didn't look where he's sitting and would end up sitting on me and smashing me. While I can respect the dedication and all that, it's past the point that I find appealing to look at in a way other than he's a beast when I see him lift crap on ESPN. Just my opinion though. :oops:

[jaleena]

I dunno. I'm a big girl. I need a really big guy to make me feel small when we're together.

[Redrocks]

I dunno. I'm a big girl. I need a really big guy to make me feel small when we're together.
I understand you completely, there is nothing like feeling dainty next to someone huge, when you're pretty good sized yourself. Not that YOU are though!

[Sportsgirl]

He frightens me, like, if he didn't look where he's sitting and would end up sitting on me and smashing me. While I can respect the dedication and all that, it's past the point that I find appealing to look at in a way other than he's a beast when I see him lift crap on ESPN. Just my opinion though. :oops:

I don't find him attractive either.

[Aaron_F]

Neither do I

[Aurora]

Um that boy is HAWT! I agree as a not so little girl I want a big boy!

[smuggie]

Neither do I
I hope not. :lol:

[Jared]

Here is something something to wank over:

Given that once you're past certain point in terms of bodyfat, partitioning goes to teh shitter. Thus the caloric excess will go more towards bodyfat, and less towards muscle. Many powerlifters who use the GFH approach seem to surpass this point. Would it not be better for powerlifters to diet down every now and then to improve their partitioning thus allowing them to gain more muscle than fat? Obviously, in teh real world, GFH works fine for many... Please excuse me, I'm just mentally masturbating...

STFU skinny boy!1!1!1!!1!!!! Go eat a pizza and get some ART!1!11!1!!!1

[lifttillidie]

Oh no. I'm not talking ghey lean or anything. I was thinking maybe 12-15% as the low end for men and ~20% as the low end for women...

This is the range I try to operate in.