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Elixa
05-09-2006, 06:54 PM
So I know a lot of foods that people might consider "healthy" (like whole wheat bread, yogurts, etc) is not actually "clean." How do those "healthy" but "unclean" foods keep you from leaning out?
strongchick
05-09-2006, 06:57 PM
For some of them, bloating is the issue. I know when I eat junk food, I immediately feel bloated an nasty.

But I think a big part of it is that it is just much harder to overeat when you eat healthy food. I'm having a Hell of a time, and I'm doing it on purpose!
Leah
05-09-2006, 08:29 PM
Clean foods generally give you more bang for your buck...which, when you are only allotted a certain amount of calories per day, and you're hungry, matters. Clean foods typically have more fibre and nutrients and more "bulk" to them (although not always the case, especially w/ ideal PWO foods)
CraveMuscle
05-09-2006, 08:47 PM
yeah, and fish oil is a necessary waste of calories that could have been EATEN.
Leah
05-09-2006, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by CraveMuscle@May 9 2006, 03:47 PM
yeah, and fish oil is a necessary waste of calories that could have been EATEN.
This is true :p ...I'd much prefer PB :p
strongchick
05-09-2006, 09:38 PM
PB tastes better, that's for sure...
Jen
05-09-2006, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Leah@May 9 2006, 08:00 PM
This is true :p ...I'd much prefer PB :p
mmmmmmmmm a juicy grilled salmon fillet :love:
Cindy Day
05-10-2006, 12:59 AM
Elixa, those foods have added sugars, milk sugars, salt, and other additives that hold water in the body. And as indicated above (more bang for your bulk), a lot of times it's not what the unclean foods do, but what you miss out on nutrient wise by NOT eating the good stuff.
Leah
05-10-2006, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Liteweight@May 9 2006, 07:59 PM
Elixa, those foods have added sugars, milk sugars, salt, and other additives that hold water in the body. And as indicated above (more bang for your bulk), a lot of times it's not what the unclean foods do, but what you miss out on nutrient wise by NOT eating the good stuff.
Well said.
PowerManDL
05-10-2006, 03:50 AM
How does that matter if you're already getting all the nutrients you need?

And how does bloating affect fat loss negatively?
Erik
05-10-2006, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 9 2006, 10:50 PM
How does that matter if you're already getting all the nutrients you need?

And how does bloating affect fat loss negatively?
What's causing the bloating?
PowerManDL
05-10-2006, 04:22 AM
....water retention
Erik
05-10-2006, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 9 2006, 11:22 PM
....water retention
Caused by what?
PowerManDL
05-10-2006, 04:30 AM
Subcutaneous water can be held for a variety reasons.

None of which impact lipolysis or fatty acid oxidation in a calorie deficit.
Erik
05-10-2006, 04:42 AM
People can have intolerances which is a type of inflammatory reaction. Histamine, cytokines, cortisol, etc. promote low grade inflammatory responses which cause water retention. Water retention in and of itself, obviously has nothing to do with fat loss.

However, the above can have a downstream effect on neurotransmitters, adrenals, thyroid, etc. - all components involved in determining metabolic rate.

Will the effect be significant? I obviously don't know.
PowerManDL
05-10-2006, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 9 2006, 11:42 PM
Will the effect be significant? I obviously don't know.
That's my question as well.

I should seriously diet on the "unclean" stuff and just see what it does.

ie, get my basal protein intake from shakes as I usually do to get my 1g/lb, along with fish oil, then get the rest from "bad" stuff (within the limits of whatever calorie deficit).

Then maybe flip it to the "good" stuff for another 4 weeks or so to make up the filler and just see what happens.
Erik
05-10-2006, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 10 2006, 12:18 AM
That's my question as well.

I should seriously diet on the "unclean" stuff and just see what it does.

ie, get my basal protein intake from shakes as I usually do to get my 1g/lb, along with fish oil, then get the rest from "bad" stuff (within the limits of whatever calorie deficit).

Then maybe flip it to the "good" stuff for another 4 weeks or so to make up the filler and just see what happens.
Yes, you should

Although flipping it 4 weeks into the diet isn't exactly too controlled a way of doing it, since your rate of fat loss changes as you get leaner anyway.

Maybe you eat junk and I'll eat clean.

And you can use DNP and I'll use green tea pills. :lol:
PowerManDL
05-10-2006, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Thunder+May 10 2006, 12:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 10 2006, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PowerManDL@May 10 2006, 12:18 AM
That&#39;s my question as well.

I should seriously diet on the "unclean" stuff and just see what it does.

ie, get my basal protein intake from shakes as I usually do to get my 1g/lb, along with fish oil, then get the rest from "bad" stuff (within the limits of whatever calorie deficit).

Then maybe flip it to the "good" stuff for another 4 weeks or so to make up the filler and just see what happens.
Yes, you should

Although flipping it 4 weeks into the diet isn&#39;t exactly too controlled a way of doing it, since your rate of fat loss changes as you get leaner anyway.

Maybe you eat junk and I&#39;ll eat clean.

And you can use DNP and I&#39;ll use green tea pills. :lol: [/b][/quote]
DNP 4 teh win&#33;
strongchick
05-10-2006, 02:04 PM
Who wants to be the guinea pigs and really try it?
Erik
05-10-2006, 02:35 PM
Not me.

I know how to get myself in shape. I&#39;m not fixing what isn&#39;t broken.
NooHoo
05-10-2006, 03:08 PM
I&#39;m willing to be the guinea pig. :happy:

I want an excuse to not eat clean. :lol:
BlueTuna
05-10-2006, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 9 2006, 10:42 PM
People can have intolerances which is a type of inflammatory reaction. Histamine, cytokines, cortisol, etc. promote low grade inflammatory responses which cause water retention. Water retention in and of itself, obviously has nothing to do with fat loss.

But even when you know that water weight isn&#39;t actually fat, it still looks like fat when it&#39;s on your body&#33; :curse:
krispy1138
05-10-2006, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 10 2006, 01:20 PM

But even when you know that water weight isn&#39;t actually fat, it still looks like fat when it&#39;s on your body&#33; :curse:
I agree. And feeling bloated makes you feel heavier.
Tearose
05-11-2006, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 9 2006, 11:21 PM

DNP 4 teh win&#33;
:lol:
Tearose
05-11-2006, 01:14 AM
I have been feeling fatter then normal... because of water retention from all the carbs over past 2 weeks, but yesterday, I took my top off in front of the mirror and my jaw dropped... I am really getting lean on top, and can actually see some muscle in my back&#33; My water retention seems to mostly show up in my stomach and legs, I wish I could retain all that water in my breasts...:dry:

and it doesn&#39;t help that i will be starting soon.... Is there a way to keep water retention to a minimum other then the obivious things... drink more water and avoid salt?