ok or bs??

[firstchik]

passing this on from another fitness forum. thoughts?


http://healthandfitness.sympatico.msn.ca/Build+a+Better+Workout/Fitness/ContentPosting.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=23904&feedname=RODALE-PREVENTION&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

[donnajo]

:gay:

[Ana]

:gay:
:funny: :funny:
I'm too new at this to offer an opinion sorry:(

[Strive2Define]

I agree with some of them and some of them I don't

[clsupnorth]

On the whole, i'd say it's one of the better articles re: exercise that Prevention has put out.

[tsunamii]

Ditch: all that shit

Do: Squats

Why it works: cuz it's not gay



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seriously, though- i agree with some and others I don't.... but it would be nice to see homegirl doing some real excercises mixed in there....

[janey]

On the whole, i'd say it's one of the better articles re: exercise that Prevention has put out.

I agree.

The concepts are there although using 10lb dumbbells for the stuff is ghey.

I always see women in the gym doing those side bends and wonder why. :scratch:

[Patricia]

I don't see a whole lot wrong with their 'this is better than that' advice.
However, that 'fitness' model :sad:.

[clsupnorth]

I always see women in the gym doing those side bends and wonder why. :scratch:
I do side bends... I WANT the big oblique look.

[absolut_blonde]

I agree.

The concepts are there although using 10lb dumbbells for the stuff is ghey.

I always see women in the gym doing those side bends and wonder why. :scratch:

I think they can have their place, depending on one's desired look.

However, I always see them being done by girls who are absolutely terrified at the thought of getting 'bulky' and who would never train the rest of their body heavy. I don't get that.

[Diana]

side bends do not give you the oblique look

[poke]

I would find any article that has links at the bottom to "Reece's New Man" and "The Truth About Condos" suspect from a highly researched and accurate standpoint. :pimpslap:

[KaPow]

passing this on from another fitness forum. thoughts?


http://healthandfitness.sympatico.msn.ca/Build+a+Better+Workout/Fitness/ContentPosting.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=23904&feedname=RODALE-PREVENTION&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc


:bs:

[donnajo]

You can do side bends or situps........ I think this song said it best. Baby got back!:lol3:

[Audrey]

seriously, though- i agree with some and others I don't.... but it would be nice to see homegirl doing some real excercises mixed in there....

I agree... Although I agree with some of theor advice like ditching the adduction/abduction machines, leg extension... I would have preferred to see REAL exercises as replacements instead of replacing one retarded exercise by another retarded exercise. How about some squats, deadlifts, bench presses, push presses?...

[tsunamii]

I agree... Although I agree with some of theor advice like ditching the adduction/abduction machines, leg extension... I would have preferred to see REAL exercises as replacements instead of replacing one retarded exercise by another retarded exercise. How about some squats, deadlifts, bench presses, push presses?...

That's exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it better!

[smuggie]

I agree... Although I agree with some of theor advice like ditching the adduction/abduction machines, leg extension... I would have preferred to see REAL exercises as replacements instead of replacing one retarded exercise by another retarded exercise. How about some squats, deadlifts, bench presses, push presses?...
No, no. Those make women bulky.

[Bravogrl27]

I would find any article that has links at the bottom to "Reece's New Man" and "The Truth About Condos" suspect from a highly researched and accurate standpoint. :pimpslap:

:lol:

[KatieB]

side bends do not give you the oblique look


Assuming you get your bodyfat low enough to show said obliques, and you've been doing heavy oblique work, whyever not?

[Diana]

because to get the "oblique look" you need to do twisting movement. Side bends do build your transverse abdominous, but not in the pretty abercrombie male model way. (at least I like the abercrombie male model stomach)

[KatieB]

because to get the "oblique look" you need to do twisting movement. Side bends do build your transverse abdominous, but not in the pretty abercrombie male model way. (at least I like the abercrombie male model stomach)


Ah.

[clsupnorth]

because to get the "oblique look" you need to do twisting movement. Side bends do build your transverse abdominous, but not in the pretty abercrombie male model way. (at least I like the abercrombie male model stomach)

A side bend is a direct lateral flexion move, utilizing the internal/external obliques and NOT the transverse abdominous. The transverse is a band of muscle that wraps around the entire core and is activated with stabilization exercises - most frequently bridge or anything that requires stabilization. It's the muscle that wraps around you like a corset, and is the deepest layer of the abdominals.
A side bend, being lateral flexion, has nothing to do with the transverse. Think about it - if you have a wide band of muscle around your core, and it contracts, what does it do? Bend you to the side? Absolutely not. It contracts and holds everything in. You can't contract one side of the transverse and not the other. The obliques, on the other hand, are located on the side, and if you contract and isolate one side, what happens? Lateral flexion. Doing heavy weight work on those muscles will build them up just like any other.

Rotation is necessary for a strong core, yes - and it does target the external obliques as well - but both moves utilize the obliques, and both have their place in a well-designed core training program.

Weighted ab work (IMO) should include both those moves, as well as others. And yeah, if it's heavy work, and your genetics agree, you'll get the 'stick out' obliques. Moral: For large obliques, do side bends and rotations. For a strong transverse, do stabilization.

A good link for this is Core Training (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459822)

[Diana]

A side bend is a direct lateral flexion move, utilizing the internal/external obliques and NOT the transverse abdominous. The transverse is a band of muscle that wraps around the entire core and is activated with stabilization exercises - most frequently bridge or anything that requires stabilization. It's the muscle that wraps around you like a corset, and is the deepest layer of the abdominals.
A side bend, being lateral flexion, has nothing to do with the transverse. Think about it - if you have a wide band of muscle around your core, and it contracts, what does it do? Bend you to the side? Absolutely not. It contracts and holds everything in. You can't contract one side of the transverse and not the other. The obliques, on the other hand, are located on the side, and if you contract and isolate one side, what happens? Lateral flexion. Doing heavy weight work on those muscles will build them up just like any other.

Rotation is necessary for a strong core, yes - and it does target the external obliques as well - but both moves utilize the obliques, and both have their place in a well-designed core training program.

Weighted ab work (IMO) should include both those moves, as well as others. And yeah, if it's heavy work, and your genetics agree, you'll get the 'stick out' obliques. Moral: For large obliques, do side bends and rotations. For a strong transverse, do stabilization.

A good link for this is Core Training (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?

id=459822)

I agree with your point(s) that you stated previously. What I was trying to say is that "the look" does not come from side bends. Side bends do build those muscles out, but big muslces do not equal defined obliques.

[Audrey]

No, no. Those make women bulky.

Oops, what was I thinking? :rolleyes: *bangs her head against the wall*

[smuggie]

Oops, what was I thinking? :rolleyes: *bangs her head against the wall*
:pimpslap:

[Audrey]

:pimpslap:

:lol3:

[jaleena]

I always see women in the gym doing those side bends and wonder why. :scratch:
Check my log...not only do they help stability, but they sneak in some grip work, too :thumb: