What are your opinions on this?

[Strive2Define]

Weight machines provide greater resistance than free weights.

Since there are points in your joints range of motion at which muscles are stronger and points at which they are weaker,the only way to train every joint angle throughout the range of motion is to provide adequate resistance at every angle.Weight machines do that by having coplex,geometrically shaped cams integrated with a pulley system that change the resistance on your muscles throughout your range of motion.The cams are shaped such that at weaker joint positions it is easier for you to lift the weight.With free weights,the resistance on the muscle remains constant throughout the joint range of motion.

[Erik]

:dry:

Are they referencing the Nautilus cam?

[Strive2Define]

There was no specific thing referenced..just weight machines in general.There was one more paragraph that I didn't post because I got tired of typing..lol but it states this( I didn't think it really added anything of importance..correct me if I am wrong)

When you lift a 5 lb db,it is 5 lbs at all parts of the lift..beginning,middle,end.Since the amount of weight you can lift is limited by the weakest point in your range of motion,free weights only serve as strong enough training stimulus for those weaker joint positions.

[jaleena]

Uh, maybe. But that wouldn't persuade me to use a machine...it really keeps me off of machines, as I prefer to be able to lift actual weight, and not "chest press" 70lbs or whatever happens when I'm fighting with the machine.

[Strive2Define]

Well I have always been taught that while some machines have their places,most act as nothing more than counter balances and force your muscles to use the same range of motion which in the end can result in overuse injuries.

[jaleena]

Yes.

[Kathryn]

:o2: Did you get it from Oxygen's magazine?

[thefuture]

:o2: Did you get it from Oxygen's magazine?

I just read this article as well, and yes it came from the latest 02 magazine.

[Strive2Define]

:o2: Did you get it from Oxygen's magazine?
Yes..I sometimes wonder where they get this stuff and why they never reference their sources.

[jaleena]

They also recommended dieters eat with chopsticks so they'd wear their food instead of eating it. Reader beware :ninja:

[absolut_blonde]

I'm no expert but intuitively, this sounds asinine.

I remember that chopsticks thing, too. Really... weird.

[Robben]

There was no specific thing referenced..just weight machines in general.There was one more paragraph that I didn't post because I got tired of typing..lol but it states this( I didn't think it really added anything of importance..correct me if I am wrong)

When you lift a 5 lb db,it is 5 lbs at all parts of the lift..beginning,middle,end.Since the amount of weight you can lift is limited by the weakest point in your range of motion,free weights only serve as strong enough training stimulus for those weaker joint positions.

:shrug:

[Robben]

Weight machines provide greater resistance than free weights.

Since there are points in your joints range of motion at which muscles are stronger and points at which they are weaker,the only way to train every joint angle throughout the range of motion is to provide adequate resistance at every angle.Weight machines do that by having coplex,geometrically shaped cams integrated with a pulley system that change the resistance on your muscles throughout your range of motion.The cams are shaped such that at weaker joint positions it is easier for you to lift the weight.With free weights,the resistance on the muscle remains constant throughout the joint range of motion.

:shrug:

[Strive2Define]

:shrug:
and?

[Robben]

The "and" is: What I think they've said is bullshit!!!:lol3:

[Strive2Define]

The "and" is: What I think they've said is bullshit!!!:lol3:
okie dokie..just clarifying.I didn't know if you meant you had no opinion or you didn't know( which would have surprised me) etc..

[donnajo]

The "and" is: What I think they've said is bullshit!!!:lol3:


Use this next time :bs:

[crawford62]

Why wouldn't you want to bring up the weakest point in your ROM. Isn't getting stronger the whole point? Making gains in 1/4 ROM doesn't sound like the best way.

[lbourassa]

Yes..I sometimes wonder where they get this stuff and why they never reference their sources.

I agree - I read the chopsticks thing too, and almost choked (on my fork...) nothing like feeding your body properly!
But, at the same time, you'd be amazed at what some people will do to try and lose weight, as long as it doesn't involve going to the gym or exercising!:finger:

[Chelsinator]

Fucking :gay:

[ritzgal]

Why wouldn't you want to bring up the weakest point in your ROM. Isn't getting stronger the whole point? Making gains in 1/4 ROM doesn't sound like the best way.

:yeahthat: :lifter:

[rain_2007]

In my opinion free weights are better over all. It forces your weaker arm to keep keep up with your dominate arm.

[snakecharmer]

I read that too.

Also, along the same lines, in the Jan/Feb issue of M&F Hers they say that quadruple hip extension is the best glute exercise...better than 8 exercises tested with EMG or whatever that thing is called...including squats - but I am guessing they tested parallel squats rather than full.

What do you guys think of this...should I be gettin' on that Butt Blaster after all? :unsure: :p

[Chelsinator]

When I had a nice ass, I didn't get it by using any damn butt blaster bullshit!! :gay: And even when I am fluffier, I have a nicer ass than those but blaster bitches, and all I do is squat a lot. Dumb idiots.

[jaleena]

In my opinion free weights are better over all. It forces your weaker arm to keep keep up with your dominate arm.
Arm? :scratch:

[jaleena]

I read that too.

Also, along the same lines, in the Jan/Feb issue of M&F Hers they say that quadruple hip extension is the best glute exercise...better than 8 exercises tested with EMG or whatever that thing is called...including squats - but I am guessing they tested parallel squats rather than full.

What do you guys think of this...should I be gettin' on that Butt Blaster after all? :unsure: :p
They didn't give details about how they conducted their study, but it seems they used no external loading. And I might believe their results if that were the case. But squats are done with a large amount of external loading, which changes the whole game, parallel or full.

[Lynny]

Weight machines provide greater resistance than free weights.

Since there are points in your joints range of motion at which muscles are stronger and points at which they are weaker,the only way to train every joint angle throughout the range of motion is to provide adequate resistance at every angle.Weight machines do that by having coplex,geometrically shaped cams integrated with a pulley system that change the resistance on your muscles throughout your range of motion.The cams are shaped such that at weaker joint positions it is easier for you to lift the weight.With free weights,the resistance on the muscle remains constant throughout the joint range of motion.

Poop. That's what I think it is. :thumb:

[smuggie]

When I had a nice ass, I didn't get it by using any damn butt blaster bullshit!! :gay: And even when I am fluffier, I have a nicer ass than those but blaster bitches, and all I do is squat a lot. Dumb idiots.
Butt blaster bitches. Nice use of alliteration, Chels. :lol:

[Chelsinator]

Butt blaster bitches. Nice use of alliteration, Chels. :lol:

:lol: English Queen, at your service! :girly:

[smuggie]

:lol: English Queen, at your service! :girly:
I love anyone who knows how to use literary techniques. :hearts:

[Lynny]

I love anyone who knows how to use literary techniques. :hearts:

No kidding...There is something about diagraming sentences and A+ spelling that really turns me on. :lol:

[Fet]

There was no specific thing referenced..just weight machines in general.There was one more paragraph that I didn't post because I got tired of typing..lol but it states this( I didn't think it really added anything of importance..correct me if I am wrong)

When you lift a 5 lb db,it is 5 lbs at all parts of the lift..beginning,middle,end.Since the amount of weight you can lift is limited by the weakest point in your range of motion,free weights only serve as strong enough training stimulus for those weaker joint positions.

Ironically, I read this today, specifically addressing Nautilus:

" The reason that isolated body-part training on machines doesn't work is the same reason that barbells work so well, better than any other tools we can use to gain strength. The human body functions as a complete system - it works that way, and it likes to be trained that way. It doesn't like to be separated into its constituent components and then have those components exercised separately since the strength obtained from training will not be utilized in this way. The general pattern of strenaght acquisition must be the same as that in wihch the strength will be used, a prinicple known as relationship between them is referred to as "neuromuscular." Neruomuscular specificity is an unfortunate reality, and exercise programs must respect this principle the same way they respect the Law of Gravity". - Rippetoe

[char-dawg]

I love anyone who knows how to use literary techniques. :hearts:
I'm all for alliteration, but in this case assonance would have served better...


...given the subject matter. ;)

[char-dawg]

Oh, and there was a study a decade or two ago that compared machines to free weights. They didn't reach any real conclusions about which was more effective, but found that people who had higher IQs tended to use both.

FWIW.