Building muscle

[carisa]

This might be a stupid question but here goes....
I am wanting to try to gain some mucle in the next few months before summer comes and I am not sure how to set up my program to go about doing it. Should I focus on two muscle groups at a time and work those 3 times a week for a month or so and then move on to two more muscle groups the next month and so on? Or do I just lift heavy on all muscle groups once a week focusing on low reps? I am not sure what would be the best way to go about doing this. Any help would be appreciated.

[Patricia]

Are you relatively new to weight training or rather, how long have you been weight training? And how's your diet doing?

[carisa]

I am not new to weight training. I have been lifting/working out for around 10 years now. It is just that I have always lifted around the 12-15 rep range and I am wanting to change that up and add some muscle to my body. I lost a lot of muscle during my pregnancy and am wanting to gain that back again plus some.
My diet is pretty good. I definitly know that I could clean it up in some areas.

[Gary]

Go HERE (http://www.leanbodiesfitness.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56).

Then go HERE (http://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com/).

[Patricia]

I am not new to weight training. I have been lifting/working out for around 10 years now. It is just that I have always lifted around the 12-15 rep range and I am wanting to change that up and add some muscle to my body. I lost a lot of muscle during my pregnancy and am wanting to gain that back again plus some.
My diet is pretty good. I definitly know that I could clean it up in some areas.

Well, Gary directed you to the "Constructing a Full Body Routine" thread. That'd be a good start. But simply, your rep ranges don't need to be in the 12-15 range. Try 5x5, 6x4, 3x8. Add compounds such as deadlifts, squats, overhead presses, bench and make sure you're making consistent strength gains. Rest days are essential, too.

As for diet, if you're not eating enough calories for you during this process, you'll find it difficult. If anything, begin both a training and diet journal so you can better chart your progress and modify when you need to.

[smuggie]

You need to be eating at a surplus to build muscle. Some fat gain will come with that too.

[carisa]

As a general rule of thumb how much over maintenance should I be eating? 10%?

[Erik]

As a general rule of thumb how much over maintenance should I be eating? 10%?

You could *start* at 10% above, monitor your rate of weight gain, and adjust accordingly. You'll eventually start to gain weight and then it's a matter of watching to see how much fat you're comfortable gaining.

As was previously mentioned though, you need to expect to gain some fat, if you're hoping to gain any muscle. Our body's simply aren't so good that they direct all calories over maintenance (a requirement) towards the process of synthesizing new muscle tissue. Some will be stored as fat.

Basically, if you're not eating enough to gain fat? You're not eating enough to gain muscle.

[carisa]

Are all weight workouts considered equal when building muscle or would something like a specialization workout for 1 or 2 bodyparts a month be a better approach if your calories were right where they needed to be?

[smuggie]

Specializations are undertaken to bring up lagging muscle groups. If you're just starting the muscle-building process I don't think you need to concern yourself with that.

I just reread your first post and you mention hitting muscle groups once a week. Are you thinking of doing a bodypart split?

[carisa]

Yeah or whatever would be the best approach. Right now I have been doing bodypart splits in the rep ranges of 12-15. I would like to lift heavier and go for fewer reps. (Hopefully that makes sense) I know I need to up my calories just wasn't sure how to set up the lifting part of it.

[Erik]

Are all weight workouts considered equal when building muscle or would something like a specialization workout for 1 or 2 bodyparts a month be a better approach if your calories were right where they needed to be?

Specialization would be completely unnecessary. An program focusing on overall strength development in the big exercises (think squat, deads, benches, rows, OH press, etc) will yield the best gains. You'll want to have the large majority of your work in the strength building ranges - think approximately 4-6 reps.

Get strong and everything else will come along.

[carisa]

Thanks for the help everyone! I will start a journal so I can track my progress.

[smuggie]

Yeah or whatever would be the best approach. Right now I have been doing bodypart splits in the rep ranges of 12-15. I would like to lift heavier and go for fewer reps. (Hopefully that makes sense) I know I need to up my calories just wasn't sure how to set up the lifting part of it.
I don't think bodypart splits are optimal. Go with a 3-day full body plan or a 4-day a week upper/lower split.

[carisa]

Thanks Smuggie!

[PowerManDL]

Specialization would be completely unnecessary. An program focusing on overall strength development in the big exercises (think squat, deads, benches, rows, OH press, etc) will yield the best gains. You'll want to have the large majority of your work in the strength building ranges - think approximately 4-6 reps.

Get strong and everything else will come along.

Wow, I wonder who's been saying that for ages?

:D

[Ali]

Wow, I wonder who's been saying that for ages?

:D

:shrug:

[PowerManDL]

Allow me to clarify then:

That's been the summation of my training philosophy for awhile, and I was pointing out that I've been saying this while routines with too-high volume, focus on high reps and fluff exercises were being touted as OMG AMAZING!!!111

At least credit can be given where it's due, is all. I realize I don't say much about this, and that I'm not the guru that everyone wants to curry favor with, nor do I need or want that attention. But I really don't appreciate the back-burner treatment and condescension I seem to be given by the cool-clique.

[Cindy Day]

Wow, I wonder who's been saying that for ages?

:D
Did you also invent the interweb? :yawn:

[PowerManDL]

No, but at least I don't sell you programs I got from T-Mag.

[christie]

Specialization would be completely unnecessary. An program focusing on overall strength development in the big exercises (think squat, deads, benches, rows, OH press, etc) will yield the best gains. You'll want to have the large majority of your work in the strength building ranges - think approximately 4-6 reps.

Get strong and everything else will come along.
Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:

[Cindy Day]

You guys must not have a life that you have to go around and try to knock someone down. You won't have an audience here as your shit doesn't sell.

Christie - you should be down right ashamed after Erik took you to overall to come throw dirt in his face. Shameless. :sad:

Matt just comes off as jealous self righteous pompous ass.

I'm not staying in here to argue stupidly like you guys do on other forums. Come in early while Erik's sleeping and be underhanded. Your actions show your character.

[Ali]

Allow me to clarify then:

That's been the summation of my training philosophy for awhile, and I was pointing out that I've been saying this while routines with too-high volume, focus on high reps and fluff exercises were being touted as OMG AMAZING!!!111

At least credit can be given where it's due, is all. I realize I don't say much about this, and that I'm not the guru that everyone wants to curry favor with, nor do I need or want that attention. But I really don't appreciate the back-burner treatment and condescension I seem to be given by the cool-clique.


And we don't appreciate your troll-ed-ness and trying to toot your own horn. We get it...you like yourself.

[Ali]

Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:

Christie! :shock:

[PowerManDL]

Matt just comes off as jealous self righteous pompous ass.

Really? Why's that, because I'm simply asking for people to credit me when they use my ideas, esp. for purposes of selling them to others?

Sorry about that, in the future I'll just bend over and take it. Mind if I use lube though?

And considering who you're defending, that quote is DELICIOUS irony. Sorry if I don't condone the type of shady behavior that you all seem to think is ok.

[donnajo]

Really? Why's that, because I'm simply asking for people to credit me when they use my ideas, esp. for purposes of selling them to others?

Sorry about that, in the future I'll just bend over and take it. Mind if I use lube though?

And considering who you're defending, that quote is DELICIOUS irony. Sorry if I don't condone the type of shady behavior that you all seem to think is ok.


You did not invent those ideas. There are many , many who train that way and believe in go heavy or go home. You are starting to sound like Lyle now. No one is claiming to have discovered this but you. Training techniques are out there. It is how you manipulate and use them.

Next you will claim you invented the wheel.


Don't come into someones house and mess with them. That is just rude.

[PowerManDL]

You did not invent those ideas. There are many , many who train that way and believe in go heavy or go home. You are starting to sound like Lyle now. No one is claiming to have discovered this but you. Training techniques are out there. It is how you manipulate and use them.

Then explain to me why these were never the root of his training methods before I started talking about them?


Next you will claim you invented the wheel.


Don't come into someones house and mess with them. That is just rude.

Ok. Have fun staying overtrained and stagnant on your fat loss :)

[Ali]

Allow me to clarify then:

That's been the summation of my training philosophy for awhile, and I was pointing out that I've been saying this while routines with too-high volume, focus on high reps and fluff exercises were being touted as OMG AMAZING!!!111

At least credit can be given where it's due, is all. I realize I don't say much about this, and that I'm not the guru that everyone wants to curry favor with, nor do I need or want that attention. But I really don't appreciate the back-burner treatment and condescension I seem to be given by the cool-clique.

But that would not be to you. This is nothing new...you did not invent this philosophy. Sure, trainers read and read and read an adopt things that they feel will work for a certain body for a certain reason. Hardly any of this stuff is newly invented by anyone. I don't see your point here....

And if you don't need or want the attention...why are you here?

[donnajo]

Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:



And do you even have a clue what you are talking about? WTH?

[Ali]

Then explain to me why these were never the root of his training methods before I started talking about them?



Ok. Have fun staying overtrained and stagnant on your fat loss :)

This is laughable. Do you even know what Erik's training methods are?

Ya, ok...you watch me. :lol:

[donnajo]

Then explain to me why these were never the root of his training methods before I started talking about them?



Ok. Have fun staying overtrained and stagnant on your fat loss :)


I can't because I am not him. Why don't you PM him and ask him yourself?



The point is that you did not invent these methods. They espoused by many.

[PowerManDL]

But that would not be to you. This is nothing new...you did not invent this philosophy. Sure, trainers read and read and read an adopt things that they feel will work for a certain body for a certain reason. Hardly any of this stuff is newly invented by anyone. I don't see your point here....

I agree. But when someone trains people in one fashion, then adopts a completely different methodology over night, and based explicitly on comments I made, I can at least be given a shout-out you'd think.

Again I realize this is futile. I'm not part of the clique, I don't spend long hours flirting and seeking the flirtations of women online, because I don't care. Evidently the people are speaking more with their fanaticism than any sense of logic.

This is more catharsis for me than any attempt to change things.


And if you don't need or want the attention...why are you here?

Because I have a perverse sense of ethics that actually makes me respond negatively when things like this occur. But you're right, I'm leaving now, and I'm sure that all these comments will be soundly swept under the rug, as any dissent could not be tolerated.

[PowerManDL]

The point is that you did not invent these methods. They espoused by many.

Who?

Give me a name, anyone you know that's phrased things in such a fashion as the quote in question.

[donnajo]

Specialization would be completely unnecessary. An program focusing on overall strength development in the big exercises (think squat, deads, benches, rows, OH press, etc) will yield the best gains. You'll want to have the large majority of your work in the strength building ranges - think approximately 4-6 reps.

Get strong and everything else will come along.


Is this the quote you are talking about. Erik has said that for years. I have been on O2 and EP for many years and He has always said this. So WTH? This is not new. He did not invent it either,nor did you?

It's basic training science. I always trained this way when I worked in college as a student S&C coach and so did our athletes. My boss used many of your so called philosphies you invented. Should I have him thank you.

[PowerManDL]

Is this the quote you are talking about. Erik has said that for years. I have been on O2 and EP for many years and He has always said this. So WTH? This is not new. He did not invent it either,nor did you?

Link me, I've never once seen this. If that's true, how come the programs he publishes openly don't reflect this?

[PowerManDL]

This is laughable. Do you even know what Erik's training methods are?

Oh, you mean the back specialization program he got from Thibaudeau over on T-Mag that you posted in your blog for about an hour before you removed it?

Yes, I've got an idea.

You'd also think the fact that previous trainees that work with me for short periods and suddenly explode in strength while improving body composition, all on a less strict diet, would be a hint too. But then again, loyalty and ass-kissing are the rule, not results.

[donnajo]

Link me, I've never once seen this. If that's true, how come the programs he publishes openly don't reflect this?

Again. I can not speak for him. Take it up with him.

[Ali]

I agree. But when someone trains people in one fashion, then adopts a completely different methodology over night, and based explicitly on comments I made, I can at least be given a shout-out you'd think.

Again I realize this is futile. I'm not part of the clique, I don't spend long hours flirting and seeking the flirtations of women online, because I don't care. Evidently the people are speaking more with their fanaticism than any sense of logic.

This is more catharsis for me than any attempt to change things.



Because I have a perverse sense of ethics that actually makes me respond negatively when things like this occur. But you're right, I'm leaving now, and I'm sure that all these comments will be soundly swept under the rug, as any dissent could not be tolerated.

I don't understand this. It didn't happen in my training, that's for sure.

And I did appreciate your knowledge and explanations of things...until you started taking shots at Erik and started touting that you came up with all these ideas...then I lost respect.

And yes, we all like Erik...how can you not? :yum:

[donnajo]

Link me, I've never once seen this. If that's true, how come the programs he publishes openly don't reflect this?

Re read my post. Any S&C coach at any college. Plus, there is no one way or right way. It depends on the individual, what they respond to , goals, etc. This is all not new.

I have trained heavy for years before I knew you on this board. That is why I went with Erik to coach me. His style is similar to what I like.

[PowerManDL]

And I did appreciate your knowledge and explanations of things...until you started taking shots at Erik and started touting that you came up with all these ideas...then I lost respect.

Taking shots? Where did I take a shot at anyone? If you'll notice, the cool-clique first insulted me for simply noting that the quote in question was something that I've been hammering for ages, and in DIRECT RESPONSE TO TRAINING PROGRAMS OF ERIKS.

You can look back a year ago on O2 when I was making comments like this; again, evidence is not a strong point here.

[PowerManDL]

Re read my post. Any S&C coach at any college. Plus, there is no one way or right way. It depends on the individual, what they respond to , goals, etc. This is all not new.

I have trained heavy for years before I knew you on this board. That is why I went with Erik to coach me. His style is similar to what I like.

Not good enough. Show me anyone that's used that methodology as he phrased it and as applicable to physique competition.

[donnajo]

I don't understand this. It didn't happen in my training, that's for sure.

And I did appreciate your knowledge and explanations of things...until you started taking shots at Erik and started touting that you came up with all these ideas...then I lost respect.

And yes, we all like Erik...how can you not? :yum:

:yeahthat: :buddies:

[Ali]

Oh, you mean the back specialization program he got from Thibaudeau over on T-Mag that you posted in your blog for about an hour before you removed it?

Yes, I've got an idea.

You'd also think the fact that previous trainees that work with me for short periods and suddenly explode in strength while improving body composition, all on a less strict diet, would be a hint too. But then again, loyalty and ass-kissing are the rule, not results.

Well, I wondered if that's what you were talking about in that thread, but couldn't figure it out...b/c IT WASN'T THE SAME. But even if it was.... :shrug:

And that's awesome that you are having success. I can't wait to see.

[donnajo]

Not good enough. Show me anyone that's used that methodology as he phrased it and as applicable to physique competition.


Ok. Prove to me you invented this whole training methodology. And where is your patent?

[Ali]

Not good enough. Show me anyone that's used that methodology as he phrased it and as applicable to physique competition.


:overhere:

[PowerManDL]

Ok. Prove to me you invented this whole training methodology. And where is your patent?

And this is done. Yall have fun, and I do wish you all the best of luck, seriously. :)

[donnajo]

Matt,
I think you are very knowledgeable and know a lot about training. No doubting that. But, you have a very backhanded way of doing things. Who cares even if anyone does use what you say. Imitiation is the highest form of flattery. Continue to build yourself up and your training business, but there is no reason to knock someone else down along the way. Never burn bridges because you never know when you will need that persons help. The case here is a maturity and tact issue. Not an argument of who knows more or who copied who. Why do you care so much?

On EP I listened to what both you and Erik said. But I never saw him put you down. Why do you feel you have to put him down. He obviously knows what he is doing and has the proof. Where are your before and afters? You say you have all these clients who have transformed and have all these PR's. Well , show them to us.

[Ana]

Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:

:wth: You must be kidding me with this, did you not train with Erik when you took first place in your first competition? I'm shocked and disappointed you'd come in here to stir trouble :(

[donnajo]

Taking shots? Where did I take a shot at anyone? If you'll notice, the cool-clique first insulted me for simply noting that the quote in question was something that I've been hammering for ages, and in DIRECT RESPONSE TO TRAINING PROGRAMS OF ERIKS.

You can look back a year ago on O2 when I was making comments like this; again, evidence is not a strong point here.


Well, that was a year ago. Where were you 3 years ago when Erik was giving advice?

[jurate00]

You guys must not have a life that you have to go around and try to knock someone down. You won't have an audience here as your shit doesn't sell.

Christie - you should be down right ashamed after Erik took you to overall to come throw dirt in his face. Shameless. :sad:

Matt just comes off as jealous self righteous pompous ass.

I'm not staying in here to argue stupidly like you guys do on other forums. Come in early while Erik's sleeping and be underhanded. Your actions show your character.

:yeahthat:

it is just not right :sad:

You don't have to agree with everyone, but by putting someone down, you will never ever make yourself look better, just lose respect.

[JJ29]

What the hell is going on here? Matt, I thought both you and Erik had similar philosophies on lifting and strength which is why I listen to both of you and appreciate when you share your knowledge.

[PowerManDL]

You know what? This is a rare occurrence, but I'm in the wrong here, at least partly.

I'm going to apologize for how I acted here. It was petty of me, and I hot-headedly overstepped my boundaries. No more details required, but suffice to say there have been other mitigating circumstances involved recently that have caused me to react more harshly than I would have normally.

Granted I did get jumped on for what was intended to be a harmless comment, but I'll be the bigger man here and apologize for the mud-slinging, because I can do that kind of thing.

[JJ29]

Granted I did get jumped on for what was intended to be a harmless comment

I will give you that...it was a pretty harmless initial comment

[Gary]

You know what? This is a rare occurrence, but I'm in the wrong here, at least partly.
:thumb:

That was big of you. I hope you stick around, the info you share is very much appreciated.

[donnajo]

You know what? This is a rare occurrence, but I'm in the wrong here, at least partly.

I'm going to apologize for how I acted here. It was petty of me, and I hot-headedly overstepped my boundaries. No more details required, but suffice to say there have been other mitigating circumstances involved recently that have caused me to react more harshly than I would have normally.

Granted I did get jumped on for what was intended to be a harmless comment, but I'll be the bigger man here and apologize for the mud-slinging, because I can do that kind of thing.

Thank you. Apology accepted. .:) And like Gary said we appreciate your knowledge too.

[Erik]

Whoa, ok, I'm going to keep this relatively brief.

First off, the back specialization that Ali did is not what Matt was hinting at over on EP with his HSS 100 post. And even if it was, so? There aren't really any new training ideas out there. People read the work of others, learn, use and apply. I've read as much as I can (well not as much actually) from various industry notables and have tried adopting the ideas and programming philosophies I agree with. You learn by reading the work of others smarter than you, or others that have had success doing what you want to do. Application of nutrition? I'm as sound as I need to be (and this has been the crux of what I do) It's not as exhaustive a field. Training? Always more to learn. On the subject of CT, I know him, we've met, we've talked training, and he's even helped me with some specific programming in the past for clients.

On the subject of having read various people's ideas, etc. that would included Matt's as well. Matt is clearly very knowledgeable when it comes to training and training science, No doubt about it. I have paid attention to the things he's said. Everyone would be well served paying attention to his training posts. (credit)

As to whether reading Matt's posts has dramatically changed my training philosophy, I'm afraid not. It's reinforced the need for the core of training to be in the heavy, low rep ranges, BUT that's still something I've always believed. I think anyone that's known me for long enough knows that I like to use the heavy stuff a lot. I really always have. And there's enough people that will agree this is the approach I take. I'm not an idiot. However, that doesn't mean I always do and maybe that's a difference. AND I tend to generally use more volume too. If anything, it's the volume ideas that I've reconsidered ... (credit)

And I HAVE written about it. Even back in my MuscleTech days when I contributed to the book projects, I wrote about the core of the training being focused on the strength rep ranges; and that if you're no stronger this time next year, chances are you'll have no more muscle either.

I'm afraid someone's misinformed if they think that I've suddenly changed my training philosophy to have heavy work the root of training programs. It's simply untrue.

As for the quote in question, sure maybe it's something Matt has said a lot (it is), but it's still generally what I believe in the context of the OP. Again, always have. However, that doesn't mean and maybe I should have added this, that I'd not include the lighter stuff/different rep ranges; just that the core of the program should be heavy compound exercises. I think most would agree with that.

As for the full body program that Matt seems to chase around everywhere, sure, I won't argue on that. It could be definitely improved by taking his advice and doing less.

ETA: AND I've asked Matt myself about training in the past ...

[Erik]

Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:

This however ....

Hmm, your very first program (back in April) had you transitioning from sets of 8 down to sets of 4 in your main lifts. Your second one included sets in the 4-6 range for part of the program as well. Third one only had one week at 6 reps, Fourth one was based around sets of 5, fifth one around sets of 6.

:scratch:

I think you're a bit confused.

And really, you wanted to compete, you hired me to get you ready for your show .... and what happened? You won your class and took the Overall first time out. I did what I was hired to do.

[PowerManDL]

Whoa, ok, I'm going to keep this relatively brief.

First off, the back specialization that Ali did is not what Matt was hinting at over on EP with his HSS 100 post. And even if it was, so? There aren't really any new training ideas out there. People read the work of others, learn, use and apply. I've read as much as I can (well not as much actually) from various industry notables and have tried adopting the ideas and programming philosophies I agree with. You learn by reading the work of others smarter than you, or others that have had success doing what you want to do. On the subject of CT, I know him, we've met, we've talked training, and he's even helped me with some specific programming in the past for a client.

On the subject of having read various people's ideas, etc. that would included Matt's as well. Matt is clearly very knowledgeable when it comes to training and training science, No doubt about it. I have paid attention to the things he's said. Everyone would be well served paying attention to his training posts. (credit)

As to whether reading Matt's posts has dramatically changed my training philosophy, I'm afraid not. It's reinforced the need for the core of training to be in the heavy, low rep ranges, BUT that's still something I've always believed. I think anyone that's known me for long enough knows that I like to use the heavy stuff a lot. I really always have. And there's enough people that will agree this is the approach I take. I'm not an idiot. However, that doesn't mean I always do and maybe that's a difference. Maybe that's a difference. AND I tend to generally use more volume too.

And I HAVE written about it. Even back in my MuscleTech days when I contributed to the book projects, I wrote about the core of the training being focused on the strength rep ranges.

I'm afraid someone's misinformed if they think that I've suddenly changed my training philosophy to have heavy work the root of training programs. It's simply untrue.

As for the quote in question, sure maybe it's something Matt has said a lot (it is), but it's still generally what I believe in the context of the OP. Again, always have. However, that doesn't mean and maybe I should have added this, that I'd not include the lighter stuff/different rep ranges; just that the core of the program should be heavy compound exercises. I think most would agree with that.

As for the full body program that Matt seems to chase around everywhere, sure, I won't argue on that. It could be definitely improved by taking his advise and doing less.

As I said, apologies for flying off the handle. There are other reasons, one in particular (and I'm sure you know about it) as to why I've been a little on edge about people taking my stuff and not giving me any credit for it.

That said, you know I've tusseled with you round and round over the use of heavy barbell work to the exclusion of higher-rep "fluff" stuff, and when those factors combined, esp the bit about "physique development comes from strength", I got a bit agitated.

That, and the response from girls that have come to me from your programs (don't worry, none of them have violated NDA or given me any details; I don't need or want them) to mine have been a resounding "wow!", and with results to match; another point that had me on edge, since I don't need or want to have my information hidden. The clients I have get the exact same information I freely post, well, everywhere.

I don't even have an issue w/ people using my info. I wouldn't post it if I did. What I do have a problem with is having that information (and specifically my usage/application of it) pirated and sold; if you want to do that, just say so and I'll just go "sure". I love the sport more than I care about any money; it's all about helping folks out to me.

But yes, I do apologize for raving, and see no reason for this to turn into something it doesn't have to turn into.

[Erik]

I don't even have an issue w/ people using my info. I wouldn't post it if I did. What I do have a problem with is having that information (and specifically my usage/application of it) pirated and sold; if you want to do that, just say so and I'll just go "sure". I love the sport more than I care about any money; it's all about helping folks out to me. see no reason for this to turn into something it doesn't have to turn into.

You feel I've done this?

[PowerManDL]

It was a combo of another incident that occurred recently (not involving you, but someone tangentally associated with you), and me being on edge about it in general.

You know I'm not exactly known for always thinking things out before I run in guns blazing ;)

[Erik]

It was a combo of another incident that occurred recently (not involving you, but someone tangentally associated with you), and me being on edge about it in general.

I'm aware.



You know I'm not exactly known for always thinking things out before I run in guns blazing ;)

No worries.

[Noel Clark]

Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:
:shock: How much more did you want from him? You seem to have gotten everything that you needed from his programs and accomplished what everyone else here is trying to do. Unreal.:eek:

[Noel Clark]

You guys must not have a life that you have to go around and try to knock someone down. You won't have an audience here as your shit doesn't sell.

Christie - you should be down right ashamed after Erik took you to overall to come throw dirt in his face. Shameless. :sad:

Matt just comes off as jealous self righteous pompous ass.

I'm not staying in here to argue stupidly like you guys do on other forums. Come in early while Erik's sleeping and be underhanded. Your actions show your character.
:yeahthat:

Couldn't have said it any better!

[Patricia]

It's not even 8AM here, yet. But I already need a beer.

:blink:

[strongchick]

(I'm glad you guys were able to work it out)

[Erin]

Wow I'm really sorry that I missed that training. Wonder when this realization came to you? In a dream perhaps? Divine inspiration? :shrug:

:( YOu and I have had a discussion about this.

[Fet]

Everyone kiss and make up here. I don't have time for a third fucking board.

:kiss:

[Gary]

Everyone kiss and make up here. I don't have time for a third fucking board.

:kiss:
:bowdown:

[fitmommy]

(I'm glad you guys were able to work it out)
:yeahthat:
I really have learned a lot from both Erik and Matt. Thankyou for apologizing Matt. That was cool.



It's not even 8AM here, yet. But I already need a beer.

:blink:
well it's noon here...is a beer on my plan?:jk:

[donnajo]

Everyone kiss and make up here. I don't have time for a third fucking board.

:kiss:


:whipped:

[Ali]

Everyone kiss and make up here. I don't have time for a third fucking board.

:kiss:

:lol3:

[donnajo]

It's All Carisa's fault. Look what she started.:lol3: kidding:lol3:

[Robben]

There aren't really any new training ideas out there. People read the work of others, learn, use and apply. I've read as much as I can (well not as much actually) from various industry notables and have tried adopting the ideas and programming philosophies I agree with. You learn by reading the work of others smarter than you, or others that have had success doing what you want to do.


We all grow into awareness... Like you said "T" there are no new Training Principles out there: And as we all know, the basic principles are: The Principle of Progressive Overload, The Principle of Specificity, The Principle of Varitation, The Principle of Individuality, The Priciple of Primary Constraints, The Principle of Fatigue Management.

It seems that there are a number of people out their who have new words for old ideas... Ideas, that really aren't new or profound at all...

[carisa]

It's All Carisa's fault. Look what she started.:lol3: kidding:lol3:

Sorry guys!! I guess I just need to be :pimpslap:

[Erik]

I'm banning Carisa. We don't need troublemakers like her around here.

:lol3:

We have enough with St. Eve already.

[Erik]

We all grow into awareness... Like you said "T" there are no new Training Principles out there: And as we all know, the basic principles are: The Principle of Progressive Overload, The Principle of Specificity, The Principle of Varitation, The Principle of Individuality, The Priciple of Primary Constraints, The Principle of Fatigue Management.

It seems that there are a number of people out their who have new words for old ideas... Ideas, that really aren't new or profound at all...

Weider Principles! Weider Principles!

[donnajo]

Weider Principles! Weider Principles!

OOOH! OOOH! I got one. The Weider Principle of Muscle Confusion.:confused: :lol3:

[Built]

Indeed. The trick is in the application of these principals.

ALL the information is out there. For example, any of the articles I write - I start with an idea. I do a semi-informal literature review and try to synthesize a theme from the best of what I've read - and I don't have access to anything that anybody else doesn't. These flowers are all available somewhere on the Internet - but amidst a LOT of weeds.

I'm not schooled in this area. I just try to see a pattern in the converging information and do my best to summarize it - mostly for myself.

I only ever see farther by standing on the shoulders of giants. (Even if I forget sometimes which giant).

[smuggie]

Sorry guys!! I guess I just need to be :pimpslap:
OK. Here ya go. :pimpslap:

[smuggie]

I only ever see farther by standing on the shoulders of giants.
New sig.

[Built]

;)

[carisa]

OK. Here ya go. :pimpslap:

Thanks, now I feel better!! :lol3:

[smuggie]

Thanks, now I feel better!! :lol3:
You should. You've been :pimpslap: by the best.