Why would you NOT to PSMF?

[jrb1980]

So I have been lurky at bodyrecomposition a lot lately and reading up on PSMF but I haven't bought the book. I don't understand why one would NOT take this route to ditch some fat quick - aside from the fact it is hard for some to follow (though most journals seem to have no problem when using E/C)

thoughts?

[PowerManDL]

Originally posted by jrb1980@May 17 2006, 06:13 PM
So I have been lurky at bodyrecomposition a lot lately and reading up on PSMF but I haven't bought the book. I don't understand why one would NOT take this route to ditch some fat quick - aside from the fact it is hard for some to follow (though most journals seem to have no problem when using E/C)

thoughts?
Because it's brutal as hell?

[Leah]

If you have already been dieting or otherwise have a messed up metabolism, crash dieting is probably not the way to go.

Not to mention, starving yourself isn't so much fun.

Not to mention, if you already have a tendency towards "food issues"...also probably not the way to go.

[LisaBunny]

I don't know much about PSMF, but from what I heard it sounds brutal. Thats why I won't do it :p

[The13ig13adWolf]

it's not all that bad IMO however there is a place and time for it and as stated above, not for everyone.

[tenacious]

How many people have tried this? How long did you last on it?

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by Leah@May 17 2006, 10:16 PM
If you have already been dieting or otherwise have a messed up metabolism, crash dieting is probably not the way to go.

Not to mention, starving yourself isn't so much fun.

Not to mention, if you already have a tendency towards "food issues"...also probably not the way to go.
True.

I do think that I could do pretty much damn near anything for like 10 days. My friend said it is a lot like David Kirsh (geeh celeb trainer) book Ultimate New York Body Plan - anyone have comments on that comparison?

[PowerManDL]

Originally posted by tenacious@May 17 2006, 06:43 PM
How many people have tried this? How long did you last on it?
I lasted about 4 weeks on it I think.

And my results aren't to be considered typical for reasons of chemistry.

[JJ29]

I don't think I would even last a day on it!

[Pandora]

I wouldn't do it because you lose weight... not FAT.. "weight." That means precious muscle, too. I work too hard for the muscle I have to care to lose it. Plus, I need carbs at regular intervals or I become severely hypoglycemic. Not everyone can eat that way safely.

[PowerManDL]

Actually, the high protein intake is muscle sparing for brief intervals, and assuming you're above setpoint.

But that's covered in the book.

[biogrrrl]

Just out of pure curiosity... would PSMF NOT be recommended for people with thyroid issues (i.e. hypothyroidism) that are under control with meds?

[janey]

Originally posted by biogrrrl@May 17 2006, 07:03 PM
Just out of pure curiosity... would PSMF NOT be recommended for people with thyroid issues (i.e. hypothyroidism) that are under control with meds?
Mark is hypothyroid and he has done PSMF. He lasted for over a month on it, I think.

[The13ig13adWolf]

Originally posted by tenacious@May 17 2006, 06:43 PM
How many people have tried this? How long did you last on it?
it's not a matter of 'lasting' it's a matter of your specific goals and what category you fit into starting out, which is outlined in the book. i did a 12 day stint because that was the cat. i fit into and i found it to be successful.

[Erik]

Originally posted by jrb1980@May 17 2006, 06:13 PM
So I have been lurky at bodyrecomposition a lot lately and reading up on PSMF but I haven't bought the book. I don't understand why one would NOT take this route to ditch some fat quick - aside from the fact it is hard for some to follow (though most journals seem to have no problem when using E/C)

thoughts?
You already have a hard time with what you're doing now. :blink:

[LUVPINK222]

Originally posted by jrb1980+May 17 2006, 05:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jrb1980 @ May 17 2006, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Leah@May 17 2006, 10:16 PM
If you have already been dieting or otherwise have a messed up metabolism, crash dieting is probably not the way to go.

Not to mention, starving yourself isn&#39;t so much fun.

Not to mention, if you already have a tendency towards "food issues"...also probably not the way to go.
True.

I do think that I could do pretty much damn near anything for like 10 days. My friend said it is a lot like David Kirsh (geeh celeb trainer) book Ultimate New York Body Plan - anyone have comments on that comparison? [/b][/quote]
I did the NYBP by David Kirsch and the diet wasn&#39;t so bad it was the 45 min training session followed by 45 min cardio that was brutal to me&#33;&#33;&#33; I think it was a two week plan. I definetly lost weight on it but probably gained it all back after the holidays&#33;
I can&#39;t compare it to the other plan as I am not familiar with it.

[The13ig13adWolf]

as a side note, the only thing i thought was brutal was the depletion training (which is optional) but depletion training sucks no matter what plan you&#39;re following so that&#39;s sortof a moot point.

[Fidelity]

Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?

[PowerManDL]

Originally posted by biogrrrl@May 17 2006, 08:03 PM
Just out of pure curiosity... would PSMF NOT be recommended for people with thyroid issues (i.e. hypothyroidism) that are under control with meds?
I did it with extra T3...does that count? :D

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by Thunder+May 18 2006, 02:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunder @ May 18 2006, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jrb1980@May 17 2006, 06:13 PM
So I have been lurky at bodyrecomposition a lot lately and reading up on PSMF but I haven&#39;t bought the book. I don&#39;t understand why one would NOT take this route to ditch some fat quick - aside from the fact it is hard for some to follow (though most journals seem to have no problem when using E/C)

thoughts?
You already have a hard time with what you&#39;re doing now. :blink: [/b][/quote]
Well, not really T. I had been dieting since Feb and I think I needed a little break but the program is good to follow.

I am for sure NOT saying I want to go do PSMF but I am interested in the concept.

[mark]

I didn&#39;t notice any problems in terms of being hypo. Maybe a little bit slower on the weight drop. There were days where the scale would read the same thing it did the day before. It can be a little disheartening when you&#39;re freakin&#39; starving yourself and you don&#39;t see a progression. I&#39;m on armour, though, which has the T3 along with T4. I&#39;m not sure what the deal would be with a synthetic T4.

[BlueTuna]

Originally posted by Fidelity@May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?


I was seriously considering doing a PSMF, but I know from past experience that you need to reintroduce carbs very slowly or you&#39;ll gain all the weight back. I doubt that going straight back to a clean "normal" diet would work. Someone correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but I think there needs to be a gradual transition phase bacck to normal eating.

[The13ig13adWolf]

Originally posted by BlueTuna+May 18 2006, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlueTuna &#064; May 18 2006, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Fidelity@May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?


I was seriously considering doing a PSMF, but I know from past experience that you need to reintroduce carbs very slowly or you&#39;ll gain all the weight back. I doubt that going straight back to a clean "normal" diet would work. Someone correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but I think there needs to be a gradual transition phase bacck to normal eating. [/b][/quote]
scheduled 2-3 day refeed and maintenance for a week following (in the category i was in). gaining a tad back in the end is a given but that doesn&#39;t mean your measurements will change. the details of the refeed are specifically laid out in the book. i wouldn&#39;t call it &#39;introducing carbs back into your diet slowly&#39;.

[jrb1980]

Originally posted by The13ig13adWolf+May 18 2006, 09:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The13ig13adWolf @ May 18 2006, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 18 2006, 04:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Fidelity@May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?


I was seriously considering doing a PSMF, but I know from past experience that you need to reintroduce carbs very slowly or you&#39;ll gain all the weight back. I doubt that going straight back to a clean "normal" diet would work. Someone correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but I think there needs to be a gradual transition phase bacck to normal eating.
scheduled 2-3 day refeed and maintenance for a week following (in the category i was in). gaining a tad back in the end is a given but that doesn&#39;t mean your measurements will change. the details of the refeed are specifically laid out in the book. i wouldn&#39;t call it &#39;introducing carbs back into your diet slowly&#39;. [/b][/quote]
How did it work for you Wolfie?

[The13ig13adWolf]

Originally posted by jrb1980+May 18 2006, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jrb1980 &#064; May 18 2006, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by The13ig13adWolf@May 18 2006, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 18 2006, 04:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Fidelity@May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?


I was seriously considering doing a PSMF, but I know from past experience that you need to reintroduce carbs very slowly or you&#39;ll gain all the weight back. I doubt that going straight back to a clean "normal" diet would work. Someone correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but I think there needs to be a gradual transition phase bacck to normal eating.
scheduled 2-3 day refeed and maintenance for a week following (in the category i was in). gaining a tad back in the end is a given but that doesn&#39;t mean your measurements will change. the details of the refeed are specifically laid out in the book. i wouldn&#39;t call it &#39;introducing carbs back into your diet slowly&#39;.
How did it work for you Wolfie? [/b][/quote]
i&#39;d have to look at my log, which i don&#39;t have on me now, for specifics but i think i lost 8-9lbs and 3% bf give or take. what sucks is right at the end of my refeed i started coming down with the flu so my eating was all jacked up and i wasn&#39;t training for a little while so i ended up back at square one. i&#39;ll do it again at some point in the future. i think it&#39;s a good option under certain circumstances but it also definitely needs to be followed to a t and not abused.

[Kristy]

Originally posted by biogrrrl@May 17 2006, 04:03 PM
Just out of pure curiosity... would PSMF NOT be recommended for people with thyroid issues (i.e. hypothyroidism) that are under control with meds?
I wouldn&#39;t recommend it. no carbs will mess up your T4 to T3 conversion, plus you&#39;ll generally feel shittier than someone without thyroid issues. If you&#39;re on an optimal dose of meds and feel good, I wouldn&#39;t want to mess with that. It takes so long to figure out what works and extreme dieting can really mess it up.

I did PSMF while hypo, but I wasn&#39;t on meds. My temp was regularly in the low 96 degree range and the loss was zero on some days like Mark mentioned.

[PowerManDL]

Originally posted by Kristy@May 18 2006, 05:47 PM
I wouldn&#39;t recommend it. no carbs will mess up your T4 to T3 conversion, plus you&#39;ll generally feel shittier than someone without thyroid issues. If you&#39;re on an optimal dose of meds and feel good, I wouldn&#39;t want to mess with that. It takes so long to figure out what works and extreme dieting can really mess it up.

I did PSMF while hypo, but I wasn&#39;t on meds. My temp was regularly in the low 96 degree range and the loss was zero on some days like Mark mentioned.
You need DNP.

[Kristy]

Originally posted by PowerManDL+May 18 2006, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PowerManDL @ May 18 2006, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kristy@May 18 2006, 05:47 PM
I wouldn&#39;t recommend it. no carbs will mess up your T4 to T3 conversion, plus you&#39;ll generally feel shittier than someone without thyroid issues. If you&#39;re on an optimal dose of meds and feel good, I wouldn&#39;t want to mess with that. It takes so long to figure out what works and extreme dieting can really mess it up.

I did PSMF while hypo, but I wasn&#39;t on meds. My temp was regularly in the low 96 degree range and the loss was zero on some days like Mark mentioned.
You need DNP. [/b][/quote]
Nah, I just needed Armour Thyroid.

You have much love for DNP, dont you?

[PowerManDL]

DNP loves me back.

[BlueTuna]

Originally posted by The13ig13adWolf+May 18 2006, 04:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The13ig13adWolf @ May 18 2006, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 18 2006, 04:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Fidelity@May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?


I was seriously considering doing a PSMF, but I know from past experience that you need to reintroduce carbs very slowly or you&#39;ll gain all the weight back. I doubt that going straight back to a clean "normal" diet would work. Someone correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but I think there needs to be a gradual transition phase bacck to normal eating.
scheduled 2-3 day refeed and maintenance for a week following (in the category i was in). gaining a tad back in the end is a given but that doesn&#39;t mean your measurements will change. the details of the refeed are specifically laid out in the book. i wouldn&#39;t call it &#39;introducing carbs back into your diet slowly&#39;. [/b][/quote]
Ooh -- now you&#39;ve got me intrigued. I wasn&#39;t aware that the refeeding was integrated into the program; I understood that it was more like an extreme Atkins-type thing.

Wolfie - Is it recommended that you do the PSMF for a set period of time? How long did you do it for?

[PowerManDL]

It&#39;s recommended that you read the book.

[Robben]

Originally posted by Kristy@May 18 2006, 04:47 PM
I wouldn&#39;t recommend it. no carbs will mess up your T4 to T3 conversion, plus you&#39;ll generally feel shittier than someone without thyroid issues. If you&#39;re on an optimal dose of meds and feel good, I wouldn&#39;t want to mess with that. It takes so long to figure out what works and extreme dieting can really mess it up.

I did PSMF while hypo, but I wasn&#39;t on meds. My temp was regularly in the low 96 degree range and the loss was zero on some days like Mark mentioned.
I agree, I think Joe and Jill gym goer will smoke themselves on this kind of diet...

[BlueTuna]

I posted before I read Robben&#39;s post - I think that answers my concerns. ;)

[Erik]

Originally posted by BlueTuna+May 18 2006, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlueTuna @ May 18 2006, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Fidelity@May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
Is this the kind of diet that when you go back to "normal" eating (meaning 5/6 small meals with controlled calories and macros not just all out who cares what I eat) the weight is all going to come right back, or does it stay off if you continue to eat well?


I was seriously considering doing a PSMF, but I know from past experience that you need to reintroduce carbs very slowly or you&#39;ll gain all the weight back. I doubt that going straight back to a clean "normal" diet would work. Someone correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but I think there needs to be a gradual transition phase bacck to normal eating. [/b][/quote]
You gain the water back.

[The13ig13adWolf]

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 18 2006, 06:35 PM
Wolfie - Is it recommended that you do the PSMF for a set period of time? How long did you do it for?
it&#39;s really specific as to the duration but it all depends on what category you fit into and your goals. i&#39;d recommend grabbing a copy of the book, Lyle&#39;s pretty thorough and it&#39;s a quick read (rather entertaining at times). i did it for 12 days.

[BlueTuna]

Thanks Wolfie&#33; You achieved phenomenal results for only 12 days&#33;

[Erik]

Originally posted by BlueTuna@May 19 2006, 02:16 PM
Thanks Wolfie&#33; You achieved phenomenal results for only 12 days&#33;
Keep in mind that a lot of that lost weight is water, not fat.

[BlueTuna]

Originally posted by Thunder@May 19 2006, 01:41 PM
Keep in mind that a lot of that lost weight is water, not fat.
I know, I know - you keep telling me&#33; :lol: Seriously, I&#39;ve decided not to do a PSMF for that very reason - it would be so disheartening to regain weight, even if it is only water weight. I can see why someone would do a PSMF for a specific deadline, like a show or wedding, but I&#39;m not in that situation.

I&#39;ve been researching all this and I&#39;m now thinking about doing the Ultimate Diet 2.

[3sweeties]

Keep in mind that a lot of that lost weight is water, not fat. That alone is a good reason not to do it. I guess I don&#39;t get the point of doing it just to lose water weight when losing fat is the goal.

[Erik]

Originally posted by 3sweeties@May 19 2006, 03:18 PM
That alone is a good reason not to do it. I guess I don&#39;t get the point of doing it just to lose water weight when losing fat is the goal.
Oh, you lose fat as well; didn&#39;t mean to confuse that issue.

Just that no one is losing 8-10 pounds of fat in 2 weeks. Lots of water, and some quick fat loss for sure.

[3sweeties]

Oh, you lose fat as well; didn&#39;t mean to confuse that issue.
Okay, I misunderstood. Do you really lose the bodyfat any faster than being in a calorie deficiet?

[Erik]

Originally posted by 3sweeties@May 19 2006, 03:25 PM

Oh, you lose fat as well; didn&#39;t mean to confuse that issue.
Okay, I misunderstood. Do you really lose the bodyfat any faster than being in a calorie deficiet?
Well, you&#39;re in bigger caloric deficit ...

[3sweeties]

Sorry, I can&#39;t spell deficit. :lol:


Well, you&#39;re in bigger caloric deficit ...

I can&#39;t imagine how hungry a person would be. :huh: