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jrb1980
05-17-2006, 11:10 PM
I mean, when one starts to lift heavy for the first time they are losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time, often the scale doesn't budge. Got that. But...how long does this usually last until they cannot build muscle is the calorie deficient?

Leah
05-17-2006, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by jrb1980@May 17 2006, 07:10 PM
I mean, when one starts to lift heavy for the first time they are losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time, often the scale doesn't budge. Got that. But...how long does this usually last until they cannot build muscle is the calorie deficient?
I don't think you're going to get a definitive number there, but it probably a good couple of weeks.

CraveMuscle
05-17-2006, 11:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.

Leah
05-18-2006, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 07:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.
I don't think he's getting "newbie gains"

Yeah...a seasoned lifter can experience newbie gains....if they've had a significant layoff and come back. ....or if they've been training ineffectively (i.e. like a typical BBer) and then learn how to train more effectively

PowerManDL
05-18-2006, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 07:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.
You can, but it's likely not anything you'd want to try.

VannaRae
05-18-2006, 12:45 AM
What I have seen with my female clients that are just starting with me .......no (or little) scale change but a significant change in bf% & measurements for about 8-10 weeks or so.

CraveMuscle
05-18-2006, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL+May 17 2006, 07:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PowerManDL @ May 17 2006, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 07:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.
You can, but it&#39;s likely not anything you&#39;d want to try. [/b][/quote]
b/c of the potential to severely screw up?

PowerManDL
05-18-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by CraveMuscle+May 17 2006, 09:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CraveMuscle @ May 17 2006, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 17 2006, 07:24 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 07:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.
You can, but it&#39;s likely not anything you&#39;d want to try.
b/c of the potential to severely screw up? [/b][/quote]
Well....sorta.

It involves either 1) drugs or 2) very long layoffs.

CraveMuscle
05-18-2006, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL+May 17 2006, 08:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PowerManDL @ May 17 2006, 08:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by PowerManDL@May 17 2006, 07:24 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 07:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.
You can, but it&#39;s likely not anything you&#39;d want to try.
b/c of the potential to severely screw up?
Well....sorta.

It involves either 1) drugs or 2) very long layoffs. [/b][/quote]
dammit.

Erik
05-18-2006, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by CraveMuscle@May 17 2006, 07:55 PM
follow-up question.

can these results be simulated in long-time lifters?

I know that Thunder has been trying to recomposition this way.
If you&#39;re really good and can fiddle with the nutrition properly ... then maybe to a small degree. Not typical though.

CraveMuscle
05-18-2006, 02:51 AM
dammit.

jaleena
05-18-2006, 03:27 AM
If your diet were to go from something Dave Tate would&#39;ve found scary, to squeaky clean, same calories...would that cause recomposition?
Note: this is curiosity, not my actual circumstance. I&#39;ve had a few too many chocolate cupcakes of late, but nothing absurd.

PowerManDL
05-18-2006, 03:34 AM
Let&#39;s see anybody eat 10,000+ calories clean.

jaleena
05-18-2006, 03:39 AM
:lol: I meant more if somebody were just making very stupid choices, like instead of his box a day of zebra cakes, if they just went straight for the sugar and crisco :lol:

trinitylove
05-18-2006, 04:40 PM
this is a good thread.

would a 6 week hiatus (was lifting heavy for 4 months) from training put me back into the "newbie" category as far as losing fat and gaining muscle?

PowerManDL
05-18-2006, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Thunder@May 17 2006, 10:46 PM
If you&#39;re really good and can fiddle with the nutrition properly ... then maybe to a small degree. Not typical though.
As Lyle says in UD2.0 -- losing muscle and gaining fat at the same time is as much a factor of how you define "at the same time" as anything.