View Full Version : Drinking vs bingeing
Ok, when I drink I don't binge when I binge or even eat off plan I do some massive damage.
Just wondering what's the worst of the two evils? I'm not talking getting sloshed once a week (although that's been known to happen :oops:) but, how harmful is it to take your cheat in the form of a few beers or a glass of wine, vs having a 3 to 5000 calorie cheat.
Any thougths?
Pandora
10-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Calories are calories... so if a few glasses of wine are less than the 3000-5000 (and they are) then there's your answer.
Cindy Day
10-20-2007, 08:34 PM
What do you think it would take to quit doing both?
What do you think it would take to quit doing both?
Stop making me think. I posted the question so you guys could do the thinking. Don't answer a question with a question :lol3:
I'm not sure I'm trying to find a balance in life between my fitness goals and being social with my family and friends which don't exercise or eat clean. If I eat clean and have a glass of wine or a beer I feel like I'm being sociable kwim?
As far as eating too many off plan foods abstinence is the only way. It's not because I'm dieting that I crave and eat too much junk. I've always been that way and it's the reason I ws fat. so FOR ME it's not a matter of being too restrictive that sets me off.
If I eat clean and have a glass of wine or a beer I feel like I'm being sociable kwim?
This is something I've never really understood.
How does the glass of wine or beer make you any more sociable than say a diet pepsi or a water?
:scratch:
This is something I've never really understood.
How does the glass of wine or beer make you any more sociable than say a diet pepsi or a water?
:scratch:
Beats me. Ask my friends. They seem to leave me alone if I have a drink or I'm eating crap. I mean who cares if I have chicken or fettucinni alfredo? Unless I WANT fettucinni :shrug:
Inatic
10-20-2007, 09:18 PM
Beats me. Ask my friends. They seem to leave me alone if I have a drink or I'm eating crap. I mean who cares if I have chicken or fettucinni alfredo? Unless I WANT fettucinni :shrug:
Drink a diet coke and tell them it's loaded with rum. ;)
Friends wouldnt do that to you.
I have "friends" that get all crabby about me not partaking also. Not with the food, just the drinking. Once they see I'm as goofy and as much fun without it as I am while I'm drinking they usually lighten up. My closest friends actually love it because they know they have a DD for the evening!
jaleena
10-20-2007, 09:46 PM
Friends wouldnt do that to you.
:yeahthat:
That said, I enjoy drinking, and don't see a problem with drinking in moderation--when you want to. Drinking because you feel you're supposed to...not so good If you've had a long week and want to wind down with a couple beers, great...if your friends have had a long week and want to harrass you into drinking, they're not really friends.
tsunamii
10-20-2007, 09:50 PM
This is something I've never really understood.
How does the glass of wine or beer make you any more sociable than say a diet pepsi or a water?
:scratch:
Because alcohol suppresses inhibitions. How else would ugly dudes get laid or why else would Girls Gone Wild be so successful :funny:
Now that's not saying you need alcohol to be sociable in the first place. But for people for whom it doesn't come as naturally, it does help break down the awkwardness or reluctance to let loose a bit.
Nobody's answered my question :lol:
My point is I fair better with :sully: then food so how bad is it as far as hindering my progress if I take my cheats in the form of alcohol? I do enjoy the odd drink but don't miss it if I don't have it.
jaleena
10-20-2007, 10:37 PM
My goals aren't yours, but alcohol hasn't kept me from mine in the least :)
(this is while bulking/dieting/getting stronger/anything...never created problems)
rogmel
10-20-2007, 10:39 PM
Nobody's answered my question :lol:
My point is I fair better with :sully: then food so how bad is it as far as hindering my progress if I take my cheats in the form of alcohol? I do enjoy the odd drink but don't miss it if I don't have it.
this is just me, and i'm just saying(ALL OF THIS IS MEANT OUTSIDE THE PARAMETERS OF CONTEST PREPPING:p ) i prefer to cheat with alcohol.....one, i enjoy it.......B, one night of 4 or so drinks tides me over for a long ass time and i do not want to so it very often, three, 5 lite beers is less than 500 cals.....(assuming you stay out of the drive thru afterwards) and 5 bites of cheesecake or that fettuccini can be almost that same 500cals........pasta is overrated!!!!
when i drink it is always social......but so are my food cheats......if i am off plan, i am eating something someone else cooked!!
not sure if this helps........and i understand what you mean.........and for the record......i am always fun....but REALLY fun after a few drinks.....:shakeithappy: :love:
tsunamii
10-20-2007, 10:41 PM
Nobody's answered my question :lol:
My point is I fair better with :sully: then food so how bad is it as far as hindering my progress if I take my cheats in the form of alcohol? I do enjoy the odd drink but don't miss it if I don't have it.
Ok calories vs calories, if you feel like you can have a few beers or whatever vs a 3,000 - 5,000 calorie binge, then by all means, choose the alcohol. However, alcohol retards fat metabolism, blah blah blah. As long as it's occasional, and you're working hard, and the rest of your diet is in line, it's really not going to hurt you too much, provided that you stick with light beer, wine, or hard liquor with low-no calorie mixers.
Better answer?
jaleena
10-20-2007, 10:43 PM
I used Muscle Milk as a mixer early in the summer :funny: :grin:
tsunamii
10-20-2007, 11:11 PM
I used Muscle Milk as a mixer early in the summer :funny: :grin:
Hardcore, baybee!!! What did you put in it? Was it good?
jaleena
10-20-2007, 11:20 PM
It was really good! I used some fruity flavour of the powder, mixed it in milk, and then added rum to taste. It was actually better with the rum...and was a lot like a daiquiri :yum:
wannabelean
10-20-2007, 11:21 PM
Drink a diet coke with the light rum(they have a 1/2 calories rum/not the light colored rum) and that is 46 calories!!! You can then still have a small cheat meal. All that being said, I am trying to stay away from the alcohol.
I wish I knew why is it that my friends think if Im not having alcohol, I have disordered ways. Like a skinny person not eating at a social event, people think oh shes gotta be anorexic (I feel like people think that about me if I eat my on plan meal before I attend a social event). When Im not drinking I get the vibe that people are thinking the same sort of thing.....when in all actuality its just that I dont FEEL like drinking (get major hangovers):scratch:
Thanks guys. Yes that helps as I usually drink lite beer, red wine or vodka and soda. Unless cindy is shoveing chocolate martinis down my cake hole :funny:
:p
sybarite
10-24-2007, 04:12 PM
It was really good! I used some fruity flavour of the powder, mixed it in milk, and then added rum to taste. It was actually better with the rum...and was a lot like a daiquiri :yum:
You rock.
sybarite
10-24-2007, 04:13 PM
Thanks guys. Yes that helps as I usually drink lite beer, red wine or vodka and soda. Unless cindy is shoveing chocolate martinis down my cake hole :funny:
:p
To me, a glass or two of wine makes life all that much better. It hasn't impeded my progress, though I'm not a pro, just an average guy building muscles. :)
Cindy Day
10-24-2007, 05:38 PM
Thanks guys. Yes that helps as I usually drink lite beer, red wine or vodka and soda. Unless cindy is shoveing chocolate martinis down my cake hole :funny:
:p
Yes, I had to forcefully pour them down a funnel while holding you down. :rolleyes:
Actually that sounds kind of fun. What are you doing Saturday night?!
:funny:
Yes, I had to forcefully pour them down a funnel while holding you down. :rolleyes:
Actually that sounds kind of fun. What are you doing Saturday night?!
:funny:
Oh I thought you were just coming on to me, when you did that :whistling:
If you're not a heavy drinker and aren't thinking you'll turn into one, why not? I'm indulging in one or 2 beers a week right now, as I somehow became interested in the various brands that are around. So, it's actually kinda fun to do it. Just like how it's fun to try out new exercises.
In that way you can see the alcohol as a sampling exercise and not fall into another trap.
The advantage of alcohol over food is that somehow I have less problems with throwing it away when I'm done 'sampling'. I've thrown out 2/3rds of a bottle when I wasn't enjoying it enough. For food this is still hard to do, though I'm practicing on it. There's simply too much yummy food around. And the effect of food is vastly different from the effect of alcohol. At least for me.
BTW, look at SportsGirl and how lean she got while dieting down and still enjoying her beer in the weekend(s).
Patricia
10-26-2007, 02:59 PM
Don't know the diff...sorry Ana...
but, I'd much, much MUCH rather EAT my calories. :yum:
Cindy Day
10-26-2007, 03:40 PM
If you're not a heavy drinker and aren't thinking you'll turn into one, why not? I'm indulging in one or 2 beers a week right now, as I somehow became interested in the various brands that are around. So, it's actually kinda fun to do it. Just like how it's fun to try out new exercises.
In that way you can see the alcohol as a sampling exercise and not fall into another trap.
The advantage of alcohol over food is that somehow I have less problems with throwing it away when I'm done 'sampling'. I've thrown out 2/3rds of a bottle when I wasn't enjoying it enough. For food this is still hard to do, though I'm practicing on it. There's simply too much yummy food around. And the effect of food is vastly different from the effect of alcohol. At least for me.
BTW, look at SportsGirl and how lean she got while dieting down and still enjoying her beer in the weekend(s).
At what price? :blink: This is hardly a scenario I'd want to model after. If I drank that during contest prep, do you realize how much I'd have to starve to keep the calories in check the remainder of the day/week? Um, no thanks.
Talk to your top competitors and trainers and ask them how many times alcohol is included in their prep.
Don't know the diff...sorry Ana...
but, I'd much, much MUCH rather EAT my calories. :yum:
I would too Patricia but I eat way way too much. Alcohol is not something I LOVE so it's easy for me to stop. One glass or two and I'm good and for some reason I don't run to sweets or crap when I do this, so this is why I figured it would be the least bad of the two evils kwim?
Sportsgirl
10-26-2007, 04:17 PM
At what price? :blink: This is hardly a scenario I'd want to model after. If I drank that during contest prep, do you realize how much I'd have to starve to keep the calories in check the remainder of the day/week? Um, no thanks.
Talk to your top competitors and trainers and ask them how many times alcohol is included in their prep.
At a price of just 100-200 calories a week :D Not much IMO if alcohol is your thing. Despite popular belief I wasn't an alcoholic during my contest prep.
Yeah I kept calories low but I needed to as I kept my activity and training volume low due to a health condition.
Cindy Day
10-26-2007, 06:05 PM
At a price of just 100-200 calories a week :D Not much IMO if alcohol is your thing. Despite popular belief I wasn't an alcoholic during my contest prep.
Yeah I kept calories low but I needed to as I kept my activity and training volume low due to a health condition.
Your caloric needs are a bit higher than mine. You're 5'8 and I'm 5'2. In prep for a contest I'd be eating considerably less calories than you do on a low day. 100-200 calories is significant to me when I'm not bulking.
Jillian
10-26-2007, 06:26 PM
I have never found that drinking the odd drink kills me. I mix Vodka with splenda papaya mango juice. Its yummy. Mind you, i dont compete or anything, so i guess it just depends on how strict your diet is at the time.
Sportsgirl
10-26-2007, 09:28 PM
Your caloric needs are a bit higher than mine. You're 5'8 and I'm 5'2. In prep for a contest I'd be eating considerably less calories than you do on a low day. 100-200 calories is significant to me when I'm not bulking.
Perhaps, but I had to go pretty low. I was on about 1200 every day (apart from refeed day) for about 6 weeks and lower in the last few weeks.
DianeD
10-26-2007, 11:01 PM
Drink a diet coke and tell them it's loaded with rum. ;)
Friends wouldnt do that to you.
I do this when i'm out with friends ALL.THE.TIME:whistling:
Cindy Day
10-27-2007, 01:09 AM
Perhaps, but I had to go pretty low. I was on about 1200 every day (apart from refeed day) for about 6 weeks and lower in the last few weeks.
Your choice. Everyone's choice. For ME, as I said, I would not go that route. I think it's a fair statement to claim that the majority of serious competitors nor trainers consume or recommend it either. :shrug:
Sportsgirl
10-27-2007, 02:34 AM
Your choice. Everyone's choice. For ME, as I said, I would not go that route. I think it's a fair statement to claim that the majority of serious competitors nor trainers consume or recommend it either. :shrug:
Oh ok. All you had to do was say that you didn't want to because it was your choice from the beginning, not because one couldn't prepare for a contest while having a beer once a week.
Cindy Day
10-27-2007, 03:15 AM
I clearly say that from the beginning.
Sportsgirl
10-27-2007, 09:36 AM
I clearly say that from the beginning.
Maybe I misinterpreted this then:
If I drank that during contest prep, do you realize how much I'd have to starve to keep the calories in check the remainder of the day/week? Um, no thanks.
And then after I stated my calories had to be low anyway despite my size it turned to:
Your choice. Everyone's choice. For ME, as I said, I would not go that route.
To be honest for the average dieter (which is what Espi's point was - that I got lean while drinking, you brought up contest prep.) who wants a drink now and again I don't see the harm. Like food, it's gonna become a problem if you go on an all out binge. I realise that I'm the exception to the rule to drink right up until the final weeks of contest prep. though I was very careful about tracking my calories, and everything that went in my mouth.
Cindy Day
10-27-2007, 01:55 PM
Maybe I misinterpreted this then:
:nod:
To tie in.. I'm almost sorry to have brought up SportsGirl, but it was just to show that calories in/out is more important than what one actually eats/drinks.
For me, most of the time alcohol is a 'waste' of calories as I don't care for it as much as I do about food. So, on low calorie days there's no f*ing way I'd ever want to consume a glass of alcohol. Or even like to take liquid calories, unless we're talking WO drinks.
However, when we are discussing choices on what to eat/drink for free meals, I can see the advantage of having an alcoholic drink as opposed to food, especially since food can set off a binge episode while alcohol doesn't as alcohol is not a trigger food/drink for me.
If you do love alcoholic beverage , there's no reason to not drink them on a free meal, but one would need more restraint to not overconsume. Plus, oftentimes when people drink alcohol, their rationalism goes out of the window.
So these are different strategies!
I just mentioned Sportsgirl also because I adore her combined strength, beauty and refreshingly relaxed yet dedicated attitude re dieting
PowerManDL
10-27-2007, 07:27 PM
Espi, when you actually take a practical and results-based outlook on things, that's the kind of conclusion you come to, as opposed to an emotional, faith-based adherence to a dogmatic "everybody knows" position.
Cindy Day
10-28-2007, 01:02 AM
I feel so much better having you clear that up, since I couldn't figure out what my own preferences are for myself. Shrew.... what would we all do without you PMDL?
PowerManDL
10-28-2007, 02:07 AM
I can think of some fun answers to that one.
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