PMSF

[traceyD]

I've been curious about PSMF over the years and finally decided to order the book. I wasn't sure if it was anything I would be interested in trying, just wanted to know a bit more about it.
The book came and I just finished it and am thinking of giving it a try. (to get me back on track)

So....I walked into my local nutrition store like an idiot and said "I need an E/C stack" (like I knew what I was talking about) He looked at me like I had just asked for crack cocaine. He said "that stuff is banned you can't get that!" I must have turned 10 shades of red. I knew there was controversy a few years back with ephedra but thought things had changed and it was back on the shelves.

I left with my tail between my legs and thought now what do I do. I went to GNC and this nice guy came up to me and asked if I needed any help. I told him I was very confused that I wanted to start on this plan but needed to get an E/C stack, but how I was just told I couldn't get it. He said how I couldn't get it together but could buy it seperatley. Wow, how thrilled was I. He sold me the caffeine, but told me where else to go to get the ephedra.

Now my problem is...the ephedra hcl is only in 8mg capsules. The book recommends 20mg. Do I take 2 and fall short or take 3 and be a little over? Or since he says to take it 3 times a day total of 60mg, should I take 2,2 and 3totalling 56?
(This is all new to me so I apologize for sounding like an idiot)

I'm very anxious to try this out. I worked with Erik a year ago and felt I did quite well, but have gained back between 5-10 pounds since then that I would like to lose. I always do best on a set program where I have guidlines and rules to follow and am always looking for a challenge so thought I'd give this a try.

Any advice on PSMF or E/C stack would be much appreciated.

[Sarawithanh]

1) don't do PSMF.......

2) I did it w/o E/C :shrug:

[jaleena]

How about you take one 8mgs tab and see how you feel? If it's not enough, and they're splittable, take 12mgs to see how it is.
Book may say 20mgs 3x/day, but that might leave you shaking and feeling like crap...or it might be fine. But better safe than sorry.

[traceyD]

1) don't do PSMF.......

2) I did it w/o E/C :shrug:

Well come on you gotta give me more info than that!

[Audrey]

How about you take one 8mgs tab and see how you feel? If it's not enough, and they're splittable, take 12mgs to see how it is.
Book may say 20mgs 3x/day, but that might leave you shaking and feeling like crap...or it might be fine. But better safe than sorry.

:yeahthat:

I would start on the low side of the dosage, assess how your body reacts to it and up the dosage slowly if needed. Even during contest prep and very low carbs, I never took 20mgs 3x/day. You may realize too that you do not need to take that much... or maybe you will, but it is always better to start with a low dosage and up it slowly if needed.

[Erik]

How about you take one 8mgs tab and see how you feel? If it's not enough, and they're splittable, take 12mgs to see how it is.
Book may say 20mgs 3x/day, but that might leave you shaking and feeling like crap...or it might be fine. But better safe than sorry.

Wise advice.

[traceyD]

Thanks everyone!

[Sarawithanh]

Well come on you gotta give me more info than that! PSMF was way too strict for me and I didn't even lose alot on it :ban3: I did it for 3 weeks total. THe first week went great - wasn't hungry, etc. second week was good too....by the 3rd week I was binging and my then boyfriend (now fiancee) got really upset with me and said I was being incredibly bitchy and was torturing myself and didn't understand why I was doing something so drastic (that wasn't working) so he's banned me from ever doing it again :) oh I also proceeded to gain like 12 lbs the rest of the summer because I was like :bugeyes: this on PSMF and I was avoiding social situations while PSMFing - it just wasn't good :shrug:

[Brandy]

For future reference, if you want a higher dosage.
Bronk-Aid. Sold at Walgreens or any drug store.

It comes in 12.5 or 25mg. :scratch: It's been awhile, I forget.

I did a PSMF in the summer. You must follow the book 100%.
I lost 10 lbs. in 15 days (scale) and really had no problems. :shrug:

[Cindy Day]

Caffiene and Ephedrine can be purchased cheaper online generally too. Google Biotek for the Ephedrine.

Edited to correct Brandname. :oops:

[traceyD]

For future reference, if you want a higher dosage.
Bronk-Aid. Sold at Walgreens or any drug store.

It comes in 12.5 or 25mg. :scratch: It's been awhile, I forget.

I did a PSMF in the summer. You must follow the book 100%.
I lost 10 lbs. in 15 days (scale) and really had no problems. :shrug:
I'm from Canada so not quite sure of the availability here (we don't have a Walgreens)

Anyone else from Canada know where it could be purchsed?

I am actually looking forward to starting. I will wait till next week though since my father in law is staying with us this week and he had a hard enough time understanding when I was working with Erik last year. I told him how I was paying this stranger who I had never met money and sending him pictures of my self in a bikini over the internet. What possibly could he not understand?!?!

[Erik]

I'm from Canada so not quite sure of the availability here (we don't have a Walgreens)

Anyone else from Canada know where it could be purchsed?

I am actually looking forward to starting. I will wait till next week though since my father in law is staying with us this week and he had a hard enough time understanding when I was working with Erik last year. I told him how I was paying this stranger who I had never met money and sending him pictures of my self in a bikini over the internet. What possibly could he not understand?!?!

Yeah, seems normal to me. :p

[Ana]

I'm from Canada so not quite sure of the availability here (we don't have a Walgreens)

Anyone else from Canada know where it could be purchsed?

I am actually looking forward to starting. I will wait till next week though since my father in law is staying with us this week and he had a hard enough time understanding when I was working with Erik last year. I told him how I was paying this stranger who I had never met money and sending him pictures of my self in a bikini over the internet. What possibly could he not understand?!?!

Here you can get the ephedrine on its own. I buy it at snd which i think is now poppeyes.

I got the same crap from my family doctor when I asked her to run some tests for Erik. Most time she ever dedicated to me. Unfortunately she spent the entire time lecturing me, so I told her I wsn't trying to get lean just wanted to get into this guys pants, but ws having no luck :funny:

[smuggie]

Here you can get the ephedrine on its own. I buy it at snd which i think is now poppeyes.

I got the same crap from my family doctor when I asked her to run some tests for Erik. Most time she ever dedicated to me. Unfortunately she spent the entire time lecturing me, so I told her I wsn't trying to get lean just wanted to get into this guys pants, but ws having no luck :funny:
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[traceyD]

Here you can get the ephedrine on its own. I buy it at snd which i think is now poppeyes.

I got the same crap from my family doctor when I asked her to run some tests for Erik. Most time she ever dedicated to me. Unfortunately she spent the entire time lecturing me, so I told her I wsn't trying to get lean just wanted to get into this guys pants, but ws having no luck :funny:

It's funny, The first place I tried was Popeyes since I usually buy my protein powder there. They were the ones that gave me the hard time about wanting to buy an E/C stack. Later I learned from the guy at GNC that I could have bought the caffeine and ephedrine seperately from popeyes. I still wonder why they wouldn't have told me that or tried to sell it to me seperately.

On a side note. When I was at GNC, there were two women in there late 30's early 40's in front of me. They were in the weight loss section where I was and saw me looking at some of the products. They were telling the sales guy about all the products on the shelf (some D3 something or other in a can) and how they were starting this "program" the next day. The one women turned to me and said you have to try this product it rocks. You can eat whatever you want and not ever have to exercise and the weight just drops off. I said no thank you, I'd prefer to watch what I eat and excercise. She didn't know what to say to that. Later the sales guy said he just had to shake his head at the two of them. They had tried every product and were experts on every one but meanwhile were in poor shape and both carrying extra weight.

It's like my sister and her Gogi juice. She swears buy it. (not to say it doesn't work, I've never tried it) She says she feels so good on it, and blah blah blah about antioxidants and what not. She is always trying the latest and greatest new product and each is better than the last. Well.....she is over 200lbs. Could you imagine what healthy eating, no coke, less carbs and about 50 less lbs would do for her. It makes me mad when ever I see her. Her latest was seaweed wraps to drop inches and lbs. Her fat ass friend did it and "her pants were loose when she left the salon." OH MY GOD!!! How do these people fall for stuff like this!!! Sure it might work for some, but when you are that big your not going to lose weight having fricken seaweed wrapped on your fat thighs. Pisses me off.

My husband supported me when I was working with Erik although he was very skeptical in the beginning. I've actually been hiding the PSMF booklet from him though because I know he won't support me with it. He did find the Ephedra in my bag and almost blew a gasket. I told him alot of people on LBF have tried it and you know they know what they are doing. I also mentioned that Erik knew about it from a thread I was posting and I haven't gotten shit yet. He hasn't said anything to me about it since.

[traceyD]

Just read the Cosgrove on fat loss thread. Should send it to my sister.

[Erik]

I also mentioned that Erik knew about it from a thread I was posting and I haven't gotten shit yet. He hasn't said anything to me about it since.

That's not the same as a recommendation from Erik ... just to clarify.

[traceyD]

That's not the same as a recommendation from Erik ... just to clarify.
No not a recommendation, but I'll take what I can get.